It would be great if they included Skype in their non-iPhone iPod.

he he

I'll bet the hacker was attempting to do more than just unlock the phone for iPod and internet use. He just hasn't succeeded... yet.

I'll bet the phone would work with another provider, but there would be huge holes in features. Personally, I think the visual voice mail would not work.

Somebody up above mentioned sprint. I've been with sprint and been very happy. I used AT&T once a few years ago and had trouble connecting all over the place. I couldn't get a connection from my house (in a city of 100k people). I sure hope AT&T has gotten better since then. There will be more complaints about AT&T than with the iPhone itself. I'll bet this gets succesfully hacked sooner or later and other companies will provide service.

Last I checked, there are two GSM carriers in the United States. ATT and T-mobile.

So "going to a different provider" means going to T-mobile, who has a crappier network than ATT to begin with.

Forget about going to any other carrier in the US..it ain't going to happen.

However, if one feels that spending $600 for a iphone that's not a phone is a good idea, then they should be able to do that.

I had sprint about 3 years ago and thought it was horrible, but these were in the days before a lot of data. CDMA is pretty much a North America only technology (I can't really speak to if it is better than GSM or not). GSM is great if you travel overseas alot, you go buy a SIM from Vodafone or whoever, throw it in your phone and talk away. I have a cheap Nokia with intl power adapters that I use for this...and just use a phone card to talk to the states.

"Last I checked, there are two GSM carriers in the United States. ATT and T-mobile. "

you would be incorrect.

there are numerous regional GSM providers around the US. just because in *your* town T-Mobile and AT&T are the current choices... doesn't mean it is that way everywhere in the entire US.

a lot of those towns do not have AT&T and a lot of those people would like an iPhone. an unlocked iPhone would enable that.

in addition. this may completely blow your mind... but some people like to travel and be able to pick up a pre-paid SIM when they arrive at their overseas destination. an unlocked iPhone would enable that as well.

The More You Know™

First, the iPhone can't work on Sprint. Second, T-Mo and AT&T have free roaming between their networks, so they should technically have the same reception with a quad band device like the iPhone (though I have a T-Mo and Cingular SIM, and find I get better reception in the same place with the T-Mo SIM for some crazy reason).

Second, I'd love to be able to use an iPhone with my Cingular SIM, but can't buy one and sign up for a new contract because I'm on my company's plan. This would solve that problem if the cracked iPhone would work with a valid AT&T/Cingular SIM and unlimited internet (which I have for my BlackBerry).

It would be great to see what kind of plans would still let the EDGE Internet and Email work.

I know there are many Verizon customers who would love to get the iPhone. If there becomes a way to use the SIM our of a RAZR phone, there are at least 8 people at my office who would head to the Apple Store. Many of us are stuck in the 2yr contract for about another 6mo. Sadly, AT&Ts service is not as good around D.C. Too bad Apple is locked into a 5yr deal with AT&T. The iPhone is really sweet in person!

about that 5 year license deal... This is speculation, of course, but I'm guessing that it's only for this model of the iPhone. That's the way these things commonly work. It's rare for a company to lock in all future products with a single distributor. More common to have different products with different vendors. Steve says, "we like to have options."

I can't believe all you americans that questions WHY there's a need to unlock the iphone, and use it as an cool ipod/web-browser/e-mail-client!

Hello!

Might be because it's the ONLY chance we have to actually PLAY with this beauty over here in europe.

Think a bit before posting..

To compare prices:

an HTC/QTEC 4350 smartphone costs 840 dollars here in norway..so 500-600 dollars is cheap compared...it's actually price of a normal gsm-phone..

PHONE PHREAKING MAN, PHONE PHREAKING!!!

Isn't it soooo ironic that one of the guys involved in the invention of phone phreaking would end up being phone phreaked?

Yes!!!

To settle a fact:

Contracts/service-plans are NOT illegal in most counties in europe, although some countires do have a ban.

In fact, MOST phones in the UK and Germany are sold WITH a contract. (This also applies to Norway/Sweden/Denmark) Finland might have such a ban, although I have never heard of this.

Daniel/Norway

about that 5 year license deal... This is speculation, of course, but I'm guessing that it's only for this model of the iPhone. That's the way these things commonly work. It's rare for a company to lock in all future products with a single distributor. More common to have different products with different vendors. Steve says, "we like to have options."

Sorry, but all reports are its exclusive to all iPhone products. You think AT&T is going to invest, and give up, so much to hawk the iPhone, only to have it become a big success, and then watch Verizon and Sprint come into play, get newer models, and not have to deal with any of the early pain. I don't think so.

"Hey, look at me! I just spent $600 on a device in which I purposely disabled some of its features! Woohoo!"

And I've got an easier way to do this. Its free, easy, and to the point.

- Get an iPhone - Sign up for 2 year contract with AT&T - Activate iPhone - Cancel said contract. You have a week (I believe, might be three days, but still) to cancel without penalty.

So now you have the same thing, without having to go through any hoops.

BTW, Skype won't work now, but I'm assuming if you're goofy enough to buy a $600 phone with the hope of sticking skype on it, then you're good enough to figure out how to hack the underlying OS to get all the pieces working together.

I prefer not to do business with AT&T, certainly not under the terms of a 2-year lock-in agreement. Thus, this sounds very promising, as I would very much like to have an iPhone, even if it mean only using it as an iPod and (finally) a Newton replacement. However, I think that in fairly short order there will be way for us to use unlocked iPhones with pay-as-you-go and VOIP services.

or else AT&T is going to poison the success of the iPhone. This 5-year lock on the iPhone, and 2-year lock on service contracts, from a company with an abominable service record is not going to fly with Apple's customers who are used to the best customer service in the tech industry.

As an attorney I can tell you this is probably wrong. a service provider like Verizon doesn't have a contract with ATT or Apple and as such cannot be restricted with enabling service for the iPhone.

Now the customer probably could be sued for violating a contract, but that isn't the service provider's concern. With that said, I doubt a company like Verizon would specifically activate service for an iPhone because they'd be worried about supporting it. Verizon cannot prevent Apple or ATT from updating their software to disrupt third party service support.

. . . . If you tell any service other than AT&T that you are activating an iPhone they won't except you and start the service. Why? Because they'll be sued by both AT&T and Apple because they have no written permission to service the iPhone period. So crack all you want no service other than AT&T will activate the phone anyways. IDIOTS! . . . .

First, none of us have read the contract. Second, people in the know who have spoken about the contract give us a few details. One, the contract only concerns the iPhone. Two, parts of the contract prevent Apple from developing phones for non GSM networks for the same five year period. You read these together and it seems like Apple can develop a different phone for a GSM provider, for instance T-Mobile. The CEO of ATT has even suggested this is the case, by saying Apple probably will develop other phones.

However, even if Apple is able to do this, it probably will not if Apple and ATT maintain a good relationship. People forget, Steve Jobs and the CEO of ATT are actually friends. Jobs isn't going to ditch ATT's network unless there is good reason to do so.

. . . .Sorry, but all reports are its exclusive to all iPhone products. You think AT&T is going to invest, and give up, so much to hawk the iPhone, only to have it become a big success, and then watch Verizon and Sprint come into play, get newer models, and not have to deal with any of the early pain. I don't think so. . . .

I prefer not to do business with AT&T, certainly not under the terms of a 2-year lock-in agreement. Thus, this sounds very promising, as I would very much like to have an iPhone, even if it mean only using it as an iPod and (finally) a Newton replacement. However, I think that in fairly short order there will be way for us to use unlocked iPhones with pay-as-you-go and VOIP services.

You can get the iPhone now with pay as you go service.

And its not much of a Newton replacement until you can hack the UI and the OS so you can add your own software.

I don't think Skype is a factor because no third party applications can install on an iPhone currently.

terrin, as an attorney, I am sure you are right in a legal sense. However, as an engineer, *I* am quite certain the Verizon example is a moot point. Verizon is CDMA. ATT is GSM. Two completely incompatible technologies. So Verizon couldn't "activate" an iPhone even if they wanted to! :-)

It is possible to get a phone's unlock code from ATT. I've done it, but it takes nearly an act of Congress to get the code out of them (they tried to tell me that Motorola locked my phone and I had to get the code from them, which is a bold-face lie). I'm sure it will be even more difficult to get the code from them for the iPhone.

But back on topic...DVD Jon didn't crack the unlock code to the iPhone. He only figured out a why to get around the need to have service with ATT, which, as someone else pointed out, has already been demonstrated without the need for any hacks or server redirects or anything.

And I'm hoping that even becomes a moot point when Apple releases the 6G iPod, which I believe many of us are hoping is an iPhone with a hard drive and NO PHONE! I hope they leave the wi-fi, safari, e-mail, etc all in there!

Just because someone says they are attorney, doesn't make their opinion worthy of note.

The fact is, people unlock phones and use them on other services all the time. So its an iPhone! Apple didn't invent the cell phone! I use a formerly t-mobile phone on the sprint network right now.

Sure from a engineering standpoint, you have to have a phone that supports the network to do such a thing...many phones are tri-band or quad-band, and so those phones more easily move between networks.

But there is nothing illegal, wrong, or even worrisome to cell phone companies about supporting whatever phone you bring into the store...you want service, you got it.

Questions of 'support' are irrelevant...they aren't supporting the phone, only the service.

An iPhone has some special features that you can expect won't work by another network. However, if someday someone gets it to work as a cell phone on another network..GREAT, just more choices, and it hurts no one.

As far as today's event...it makes it the nicest iPod you can buy...and for some people that is great. I'd rather not pay AT$T $1400 for two years of cell phone service...but I might like an iPhone to use it for Wi-fi and iPod capabilities.

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