Creative to one-up iPod shuffle with 4GB ZEN

Of course, it will weight like a stone and has resale value of a stone.

It'll be huge, not because of its failure, but because of its large size (they use cheap chips, and plenty of them, so they need a much larger case for it, which results in heaviness.)

...they don't point out that Creative's players won't even mount as removable storage on OSX so not exactly a challenge to MacUsing iPod purchasers. This IS "Mac"NN not AppleNN or iPodNN right?

Of course, some people might realize that windows users make up a large majority of iPod users (hence why the device didn't really take off until the Windows version came out).

Testicals, you moron, learn how to read. Feathers was pointing out that the site is "Mac"NN, so should deal only with news that pertain to Macs (and not only tangentially to iPods/Apple).

Which also raises the question: what the fuck are you doing here all the time if you obviously despise Macs/Apple so much?

dliup: Not huge. About 2x1.5x0.5 inches, and under one ounce.

feathers: This one WILL mount as a mass storage device. From current product page: "Spot a music track you like in your friend's computer? Simply drag-and-drop it to your own ZEN Stone Plus, absolutely no drivers are needed..."

that's what he does best. point out the obvious then spin it so it sounds like a negative for apple and anything apple-related.

i think you two can duke it out in a sumo ring. fighting over the last spicy tuna roll.

toma-douche-bag (see, I can make fun of other people's names too. Are you people all 15 year olds?)

Maybe you and feathers should both learn to read (oh, wait, do I need to call you names too, like "moron"?). You're currently posting on Electronista, not MacNN. (Oh, and you also spelled testicles wrong - geesh, if you're going to make fun of someone's name, at least get it spelled correctly!)

Not to mention, as lee.rimar pointed out, feathers was completely wrong, as it will mount on any Mac (hell, most USB players do, its just the iPod that fails in this respect without special software).

Oh, I'm sorry, I'd go on now, but your mom's calling you for dinner. Run along now little boy.

I think this is a good thing for iPod user and the would be iPod user in general. I want an iPod for a long time but things that prevent me from buying it because I want the FM radio and recording function built-in. Most of the MP3 player have these functions but I don't understand why iPod don't have them ? How hard it gonna be to include these functions ? I want all the other players to grap 60% of the market share. So, Apple will finally realize and include these function to respond to the decline market share. You might ask why don't I buy other brands ? It because I love Apple products, they're just work. I'm using PC right now and I installed Windows XP for more than 10 times already but the reason that I use PC because I want Apple computer that doesn't exist, a midrange Mac. Macpro is too good and too expensive for me, iMac and Mac mini are too less expandable for me. I want a Mac that can put more than one harddisk in it, can change the graphic card, have more than 2 RAM slots. The price can be $300 more expensive than comparable specs PC, I still want to buy it but too bad Apple don't have this type of product. Anyone wishing for the same type of Mac as me ?