Did you honestly expect a MS s*** product to ever work well? I dont understand how people compare anything MS to Apple. Apple is such light years ahead of those fools. Maybe thats why MS partnered with Ford and Apple with BMW, Merc, and Porsche. MS = cheap junk that ends up costing you 100x more in the long run. Get it through your thick heads once and for all.

While the comment is a bit angry, I agree with the title of the previous post... duh!!

The iPod IS consistently light-years ahead of the Zune. People root for Microsoft to keep up, but they just aren't doing it. The public agrees:

http://comparati.com/883-Zune-vs-iPod

Not trying to defend MS. But how many of us listen to music for 22 hours straight. Odds are that in 22 hours of playback total, some of that time it will end up back on the charger. I think we are all used to charging cell phones at least once every two days.

Did you honestly expect a MS s*** product to ever work well? I dont understand how people compare anything MS to Apple. Apple is such light years ahead of those fools.

So you're basing your entire 'working well' argument on battery life? Interesting. So if a Zune 85 is released tomorrow with twice the battery life, will you recant your comments? Or are you just using this to do the normal "The Zune sucks so much compared to the iPod!" rants?

And have you even tried a Zune (no, looking at it doesn't count)?

Maybe thats why MS partnered with Ford and Apple with BMW, Merc, and Porsche. MS = cheap junk that ends up costing you 100x more in the long run. Get it through your thick heads once and for all.

Or maybe its that MS see it's clientelle as the 'regular guy', while Apple seems themselves as an elitist company who only wants to deal with people willing to shell out way too much money for some material possession that says "Hey, look at me, I'm so shallow and insecure I drive a BMW to make me feel important, and I'm so much better than you pitiful Honda drivers".

And I've never heard anyone who drives a Porsche, Mercedes, or BMW who proclaim how cheap their car are in the long run. Their problems cost more to fix, they usually require the more expensive, higher end gas and their resale values tend to plummet as much as a Taurus.

Next time, leave the car analogies to the "people still buy the over priced c***!" line, and don't try to bring it into the TCO discussion. It just doesn't work.

No we don't use Zunes, they don't work on osX. For a product lie this to be really successful it has to work natively on a Mac, users see it as an insurance for future use.

testudo works for MS i think lol

Apple products are as well priced as MS just ms doesnt make things so well. What do you expect? this is an apple news site so people are going to stick up for apple makes sense really.

Ms make the 360 and i have one and love it but everything else is a no.

Apple allways bring out better stuff faster and more reliable and deserve every bit of success.

i don't own one. it doesn't work on the mac. and i don't really care.

i'm sure many zune owners are happy with their purchase but let me reiterate: i don't care.

In comparison to an iPod the zune is a sub par experience. If testudo doesn't know that then he hasn't used both either. zune works only on windows and uses a hugely lame points scheme as payment. Apple has been at this Mp3 player thing longer than MS. It stands to reason that the problems Apple has overcome in engineering the hardware/software of these devices will out-leg anything MS comes up with.

Here is why. zune G2 isn't a half-way bad player, if it wasn't for the iPod. So it isn't sooo bad. Which means, it's kinda good. And this is where MS gets caught. If it looks anything like good, they figure people will really want to have them. With this in mind, they try to figure every twisted thing they can to squeeze cash from the end user.

Vista is like this, zune is like this. Compare price points for either product and Apple invariably comes out on top. As for car metaphors-I kind of agree, they're a bit off. BTW: MS is not for the little guy, try, out to get the little guy. Thinking that MS's offerings represent quality or value is a weak argument. TCO is won by Apple with it's present offerings.

Spinning zune, won't change the fact that the market is better informed than it used to be insofar as technology is concerned. MS will not compete well against an informed consumer base. They never have. This isn't 1986. Astroturfing just seems desperate.

it's tthe number one selling player on the market [at least for "black friday"]

The car analogy is pretty bad.

My Saturn had to have the timing chain replaced about the same time my friend's Audi timing chain had to be replaced.

My repair cost a LOT less. I haven't really had to have anything else done except maintain it and that cost less too.

The analogy just doesn't work here.