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1. zl9600

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   could be...

   that Google's product is more of a product innovation for web applications, and I can see that. Apples iPhone is more of a industry paradigm shift, hence why it deserves the cover of Time magazine (read by about ten times PAID subscribers). It's worth noting, though, that these are the same tired arguments being trotted out against the iPhone by a publication that has, historically, made every attempt to discount Apple's products.
   
   I'm surprised they didn't criticize it's lack of a microwave oven controlling device.

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1. danviento

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   12/28, 03:02pm | report spam | close reply

   What a load

   Seriously. A beta program almost no one uses that's based on a business platform that's dicey at best, that beat out the iPhone? I guess that's PC world's deluded version of reality.
   
   My $.02: web based apps, should they EVER become popular, won't do so for some time now. There's just not enough perceived security compared to having your machine run the app and the file stay within a closed environment. The whole world isn't wired for ultra-fast internet, so the majority webapps are about as useful as Web 2.0 or my appendix, the latter of which is gone as of last month.
   
   Consider this a PC World flame post.

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1. robttwo

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   web-based c***

   Any of you ever have to work on network-dependent applications? You know, things like groupware on the local LAN.
   
   Any one who has knows the utter fallacy (and stupidity) of "webapps." I can't even begin to imagine ANYTHING of importance being done this way.
   
   But, maybe that's just me.
   
   Doofuses.

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1. testudo

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   12/28, 11:09pm | report spam | close reply

   Re: web-based c***

   Yet that is the only type of app the iPhone can run...

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1. McDave

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   12/29, 09:14pm | report spam | close reply

   Makes sense...

   The PC community always favours hypothetically useful technology above actually useful technology.
   
   McD

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   re: re: web-based c***

   Except, of course, the iPhone apps that are built in. The ones which will be mostly commonly used.
   
   McD

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1. VHMP01

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   iBone Fanaticism?

   No second place ever… let’s put it this way:
   
   1. No 3G. 2. No handwriting recognition (Finger or Stylus). 3. Gets overheated with constant use. 4. Copied touch screen technology. 5. Copied name. 6. Only 1.3 Mp camera. 7. No camera stabilizer. 8. No zoom 9. No focus 10. No flash 11. No night shot 12. No real GPS 13. No on-board maps (nor mobile Google earth) 14. No MMS messages 15. No push-mail 16. No Skype 17. Slow Internet without flash or java support 18. No mobile TV 19. No memory card slots 20. No 3G or higher 21. Has to change screens just for a "Dot" or a "Coma" 22. Not many languages support 23. No voice recognition 24. Not very customizable. 25. Very few applications. 26. Stocked with a 2 year contract. 27. Needs to wipe off smudges frequently. 28. No good for e-mail response. 29. Bad screen refresh. 30. No help icon.

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1. Peter753

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   12/30, 12:20am | report spam | close reply

   Hmmm...

   I like how this guy has zero posts ^^^^

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1. macnixer

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   ibone or not

   vhmp01, guess what? I still don't have an iPhone because I have to travel across the world frequently. Not having to pay big $$$, I prefer to carry a phone I purchased in Asia. allows me to change the SIM. iPhone is a phone and I don;t care if it took pictures or not. Whether it makes my tea (I prefer it over caffein) or not I don;t care. I like the simple interface and the natural flow of the "phone". Now if you think that the iPhone is not something that changed how the rest of the world looked at phones before it was released, you may want to whine about it not bringing you the paper in the morning. Oh I guess it would if you have WIFI at home cause you don't like 2.5G....

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1. VHMP01

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   iBone or not

   I’ll give you that one macnixer, very intuitive and nice UI.
   
   Nevertheless, they been trying to sell it as the next world wonder, and to be honest… it is a nice design phone and great media player. Now, seeing the amazing features on today’s gadgets, come on… my iPAQ hw6945 (over one and a half years old) with SPB Pocket Plus & SPB Mobile Shell (http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com) did all those iPhone ‘touch’, multimedia & web browsing (including tabs, zoom and span) wonders, with the touch screen plus great sync and office applications. Yes, crappy camera too.
   
   Therefore, it is a bit sickening to keep hearing all those copied ideas and believing they are original, plus rising them as the best thing that has happened to mankind.

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1. VHMP01

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   12/30, 02:42pm | report spam | close reply

   iBone or not

   So I guess iPhone changed the knowledge people had about things that they did not know existed before, I can agree on that one. However, that is another matter completely.

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1. VHMP01

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   iBone or not

   I am grateful that http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com changed my Win Mobile 5 completely!

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1. nat

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   12/30, 06:29pm | report spam | close reply

   wow

   this guy sure like his Win mobile - how many years now has it been out? and the iPhone? 6 months? holy c*** fella, at least give it a year. what was your precious Win mobile like the first 6 months?

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1. apple4ever

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   re: iRetard

   No, its called reality. Apple took things that were already done (cell phone, mobile browser, touch screen, etc) and put them in a package that was easy to use.
   
   Not a big deal. 3G is limited, and EDGE is fast enough. Throw in the fact that WIreless is prevalent, and 3G chipsets are not power savvy yet, its not a big deal.
   
   Who cares? Handwriting recognition sucks- that's why typing is faster than handwriting.
   
   OH NO!! IT GETS WARM WITH USE! Who cares- it doesn't even get HOT.
   
   < 4. Copied touch screen technology. > OH NO! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT TO USE FINGERS ON A SCREEN? Another non-point. This is an obvious technology around for a while- Apple just made it easier to use.
   
   No, this name has been around for a while, by the fans. Who cares? Its a perfect name that fits this device better than the name works for others.
   
   OMG! I can't take pictures of with my phone! The camera is good enough for its uses. Anything get a real camera.
   
   OH NO! Who cares? What cell-phone camera does? And if you want that GET A REAL CAMERA!
   
   < 8. No zoom >
   
   
   
   Again, get a real camera.
   
   Its battery hungry and would make the device bigger. And there is not a third party GPS coming out. No big deal. Google Maps still works in a pinch.
   
   Space is limited, at least for now. More space would have pushed up the price. Not a big deal- and can be fixed in February with third party apps.
   
   OH NO! Who cars? Very few people even use this. And this can be added in a software update anyway.
   
   OH NO! I HAVE TO WAIT 15 MINUTES TO CHECK MY EMAIL!!! Listen, just manually check it. Its not a big deal.
   
   Yet. Another feature that can be added.
   
   < 17. Slow Internet without flash or java support> What? Its not slow at all. And flash and java suck anyway, so who cares? It would drain the battery faster.
   
   Yet- software update can fix that.
   
   And? Big deal, it would ruin the look and functionality of the device, not to mention make it bigger.
   
   Uhh, you already said this.
   
   So, its one more press. Big deal. And if you are completing a sentence its just two spaces, it puts the dot for you. Again, not a big deal.
   
   < 23. No voice recognition >
   
   Again, yet, it could be added in a software update. Jeez, its a 1.0 product- probably the best ever.
   
   OH NO! Who cares? That's how the industry works. How many people need to change anyway? Again no big deal.
   
   No, you don't. Only if you look at it sideways. And if its that big of a deal, get an Invisible Shield- it doesn't smudge.
   
   What? This doesn't make any sense. Its great for email response- you type and send.
   
   Again, what? This doesn't make any sense. I've never seen an issue with screen refresh.
   
   < 30. No help icon.>

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1. apple4ever

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   re: iTard

   "ibone fanaticism?" No, its called reality. Apple took things that were already done (cell phone, mobile browser, touch screen, etc) and put them in a package that was easy to use.
   
   "1. No 3G. " Not a big deal. 3G is limited, and EDGE is fast enough. Throw in the fact that WIreless is prevalent, and 3G chipsets are not power savvy yet, its not a big deal.
   
   "2. No handwriting recognition (Finger or Stylus). " Who cares? Handwriting recognition sucks- that's why typing is faster than handwriting.
   
   "3. Gets overheated with constant use." OH NO!! IT GETS WARM WITH USE! Who cares- it doesn't even get HOT.
   
   " 4. Copied touch screen technology. " OH NO! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT TO USE FINGERS ON A SCREEN? Another non-point. This is an obvious technology around for a while- Apple just made it easier to use.
   
   "5. Copied name. " No, this name has been around for a while, by the fans. Who cares? Its a perfect name that fits this device better than the name works for others.
   
   "6. Only 1.3 Mp camera. " OMG! I can't take pictures of with my phone! The camera is good enough for its uses. Anything get a real camera.
   
   "7. No camera stabilizer." OH NO! Who cares? What cell-phone camera does? And if you want that GET A REAL CAMERA!
   
   " 8. No zoom " "9. No focus " "10. No flash " "11. No night shot " Again, get a real camera.
   
   "12. No real GPS " Its battery hungry and would make the device bigger. And there is not a third party GPS coming out. No big deal. Google Maps still works in a pinch.
   
   "13. No on-board maps (nor mobile Google earth) " Space is limited, at least for now. More space would have pushed up the price. Not a big deal- and can be fixed in February with third party apps.
   
   "14. No MMS messages " OH NO! Who cars? Very few people even use this. And this can be added in a software update anyway.
   
   "15. No push-mail " OH NO! I HAVE TO WAIT 15 MINUTES TO CHECK MY EMAIL!!! Listen, just manually check it. Its not a big deal.
   
   "16. No Skype" Yet. Another feature that can be added.
   
   " 17. Slow Internet without flash or java support" What? Its not slow at all. And flash and java suck anyway, so who cares? It would drain the battery faster.
   
   "18. No mobile TV " Yet- software update can fix that.
   
   "19. No memory card slots" And? Big deal, it would ruin the look and functionality of the device, not to mention make it bigger.
   
   "20. No 3G or higher " Uhh, you already said this.
   
   "21. Has to change screens just for a "Dot" or a "Coma" " So, its one more press. Big deal. And if you are completing a sentence its just two spaces, it puts the dot for you. Again, not a big deal.
   
   "22. Not many languages support" " 23. No voice recognition " "24. Not very customizable. " "25. Very few applications. " Again, yet, it could be added in a software

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1. apple4ever

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   re: iTard 2

   "22. Not many languages support" " 23. No voice recognition " "24. Not very customizable. " "25. Very few applications. " Again, yet, it could be added in a software update. Jeez, its a 1.0 product- probably the best ever.
   
   "26. Stocked with a 2 year contract. " OH NO! Who cares? That's how the industry works. How many people need to change anyway? Again no big deal.
   
   "27. Needs to wipe off smudges frequently. " No, you don't. Only if you look at it sideways. And if its that big of a deal, get an Invisible Shield- it doesn't smudge.
   
   "28. No good for e-mail response. " What? This doesn't make any sense. Its great for email response- you type and send.
   
   "29. Bad screen refresh." Again, what? This doesn't make any sense. I've never seen an issue with screen refresh.
   
   " 30. No help icon." See, its so easy, you don't need one. No big deal.
   
   All of you points are flat out wrong, or don't bring up valid points. You seem to think its all about features. Its not. There were a bunch of MP3 players before the iPod, with tons of features, but their UI SUCKED. The iPod did one thing well- played MP3s with a great UI.
   
   The iPhone is the same. There are a ton of cell phones with a ton of features, but the UI's all SUCK. The iPhone does a few things well, with a great UI.
   
   THAT'S the difference.

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   The UI sucked ?

   Really!?
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UREqFWxLHqM
   
   So eEven the new 1.1.3 firmware unreleased features exist already, they intend to make it possible to move icons about on the screen… Uh ha! It’s been done already.
   
   Realities check… it has been copied, and wasn’t much bigger.

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1. testudo

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   12/31, 09:56am | report spam | close reply

   apple4ever

   I like how the iPhone is considered great because it integrates your phone, ipod, and internet device (now only carry around one device, not three!), but then someone complains about the built-in camera, and it's "get a real camera".
   
   And the iPhone might do a few things well, as you say, but that's not the point. As you and vhmp01 both pointed out, most of what's there was already around, just packaged differently or together in one place.
   
   So, exactly why should the iPhone make the top of the innovation ranks? Because they made a better phone?
   
   And, BTW, it's always nice to say "can be added later" and "it's a v1.0 product", but I also know that, with the iPod, apple has made few of their later changes available for their earlier products. And unless Apple has said "We're going to add voice-dialing (oh, I know, who needs that when you can stop paying attention to the road and stare at your phone to navigate through the 500 phone numbers you have looking for a contact because there's NO SEARCH!), saying 'it can be added' really is meaningless. Lot's of things 'can be added'. The big question is WHAT will be added?

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1. VHMP01

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   12/31, 12:16pm | report spam | close reply

   Thanks testudo.

   Sorry I could not explain myself as good as you just did. Just like you mention: if other ones do something it was copied, we should get an additional device or it can be added later; but if iPhone does it was original (not true) and we should not need what others do. Not quite right and kept on hearing it on and on, so was a bit my anger and frustration.