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1. eldarkus

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   03/24, 02:43pm | report spam | close reply

   so...

   If you have an 'ace up your sleeve', why not just sue for violating patent now? Why wait?
   
   

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1. dynsight

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   03/24, 02:49pm | report spam | close reply

   Sue to stop progress

   So, if a new, better technology comes out, just sue to keep us in dark ages.
   
   Candle makers sue Edison.
   
   Horse Breeders Sue Ford.
   
   Radio Makers sue Magnavox.
   
   TV makers sue Microsoft....
   
   Please. People have been booting off of alternate devices (CD's, USB, External HD, floppies) for years.
   
   Seagate should have seen this coming and invested in this technology. Instead of being whiners, they could have opted to be leaders.

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1. jameshays

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   03/24, 02:53pm | report spam | close reply

   Well, if you can't...

   Well, if you can't join them, sue them...
   
   Our liberal economy and state of mind will destroy all that we have if this next generation doesn't find a way to undo the laziness of the previous last 2 generations...

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1. MiMiC

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   03/24, 02:59pm | report spam | close reply

   re: jameshays

   AMEN!!
   
   i could not have put it better myself

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1. danviento

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   03/24, 03:07pm | report spam | close reply

   don't worry jameshays

   The market players in our economy will pick it up soon enough. Hopefully not before I go and buy a house this summer ;-). No, we need to worry more about trial lawyers and the crackpot politicos they lobby for/throw money at (think Pelosi and her FISA avoidance). Both of these groups represent what is truly undermining our economic growth, liberties, and advancement.

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1. Guest

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   03/24, 03:21pm | report spam | close reply

   Thank you, Mr. Watkins

   In case some inattentive investors had not caught on, it is very nice of him to remind them that his business is doomed. Now just watch the stock plummet.

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1. lamewing

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   03/24, 03:59pm | report spam | close reply

   Dismisses the tech

   Okay, NOW the storage options are limited and very expensive, but in two years HD will be mainly used for very large storage options and SSD will be in most laptops.
   
   I love how these folks like to dismiss something when they know good and well that it will often become a standard in the near future.
   
   

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1. testudo

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   Re: don't worry

   Yeah, we gots to worry about Pelosi and her crackpots! For we know Bush would do nothing to destroy our civil liberties (as long as we don't mind giving them up for 50-100 years).
   
   Of course, you're complaining about trial lawyers in this when none are involved. And, in fact, you have no clue as to the nature of the patent claim, and, as such, have no idea whether it's a warranted claim.
   
   But, hey, someone's thinking of suing someone associated to apple, so they must be evil!

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1. UberFu

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   03/24, 05:31pm | report spam | close reply

   where in the article...

   ...was the MBA actually trashed?
   
   I only saw where it mentioned it as an example of a laptop that uses an SSD_
   
   Pathetic_

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1. UberFu

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   03/24, 05:34pm | report spam | close reply

   also...

   Both Toshiba and Samsung - make HHDs as well as SSDs_ So who the h*** are they gonna sue - themselves?
   
   "Seagate and Western Digital (WDC), two of the major hard drive makers, have patents that deal with many of the ways a storage device communicates with a computer"
   
   So I guess Seagate doesn't feel any threat from Toshiba or Samsung already making HHDs?
   
   Interesting_

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1. Jeff Simpson

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   03/24, 06:25pm | report spam | close reply

   2 Cents- Don't Sue Me!

   I agree we are too suit-happy, but I don't think we can write this off to "liberal" sensibilities. The corporations and attorneys in this dispute are NOT liberal. They're NOT on what we often CALL welfare but ARE beneficiaries of a legal welfare system that supports them. They benefit from the recent tax cuts for the very wealthy. They create the laws that favor their interests. They stand to gain by this back and forth.....and the consumer (who USED to be a citizen) will simply pay more.
   
   FISA was working pretty well; there ARE provisions for retroactive warrants. The only thing that was missing was support for the telecoms, keeping them safe from lawsuits. The "swift boat" ads attacking your senators and congressfolk for not supporting your rights were SPONSORED by those big corporations and their attorneys who are afraid of getting their butts in a vice. It ain't about patriotism; it IS about the $. These are NOT liberal-minded folks, but rather people who have a vested interest in continuing the constant legal challenges and in protecting corporations before citizens.
   
   So....returning to the thread, the legal system will sort this out.... and the rich attorneys will benefit by getting paid and recent large tax cuts for the extra rich and from corporate loopholes. Spewing "liberal" or "conservative" as an epithet isn't beneficial. Better to address the issues, methinks.

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1. Flying Meat

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   03/24, 06:59pm | report spam | close reply

   Thanks Jeff

   I couldn't agree more. Besides, ain't any liberals in power, unless you count the neo-liberals. ;)

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1. Terrin

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   03/24, 10:17pm | report spam | close reply

   Out of touch

   It is easy to point your finger at trial lawyers. They, however, are merely a symptom not the problem. People merely pay them to do a job that the law allows them to do. Trial lawyers often keep the system honest.
   
   Instead, look solely at the corporate lobbyists (who typically are not trial lawyers) who pay politicians to write laws that favor established corporate interests. Patent laws do just that. Companies like Seagate often patent technology not to bring them to the market, but to protect their established business models. I suspect most college educated people couldn't understand most patent statutes. That is by design.
   
   Another problem is that judges often fail to throw out clearly frivolous lawsuits. They have the power to do so, but there is greater benefit for them by letting these matters go to court.
   
   Finally, I hardly see how the FISA relates to this conversation. The government should be afraid of the people, not the other way around. The FISA is a horrible piece of legislation designed to keep the powerful powerful and the weak weak.
   
   You write, "The market players in our economy will pick it up soon enough. Hopefully not before I go and buy a house this summer ;-). No, we need to worry more about trial lawyers and the crackpot politicos they lobby for/throw money at (think Pelosi and her FISA avoidance). Both of these groups represent what is truly undermining our economic growth, liberties, and advancement."

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1. Guest

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   03/25, 12:28am | report spam | close reply

   out-no-vate

   Companies that use patents to stifle the innovations of others truly suck.

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1. chadpengar

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   03/25, 04:55am | report spam | close reply

   re: testudo

   And how has Bush destroyed our civil liberties?
   
   I want concrete examples. Not wishy washy sweeping generalizations that don't hold water when exposed to scrutiny.

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1. PBG4 User

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   03/25, 09:14am | report spam | close reply

   Re:Thank you, Mr. Watkins

   In case some inattentive investors had not caught on, it is very nice of him to remind them that his business is doomed. Now just watch the stock plummet.
   
   In case you've been a very inattentive investor, Seagate was brought private in late 2000.

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1. danviento

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   03/25, 09:42am | report spam | close reply

   lol testudo response

   Oh, that worked wonders. It's funny what a little inflammatory rhetoric will do. I guess we all now know Testy's just another bushy-hater who takes any chance to to bash him that he can.
   
   Notice that I was merely pointing out that these trial lawyers, many who are party to petty lawsuits as mentioned in the article, have many in power beholden to them. Pointing out the FISA situation was merely an example of just how much.
   
   We all know Congress, just as the Senate already has, would reapprove such a critical program, except one of their main cashflows is salivating from the legal fees they'd get from those whose previous actions FISA would protect.
   
   And before Testy hops on that one, let's not forget that much of the blogosphere coverage on the range and scope of such agencies' listening power. From someone who knows someone invloved with the 'listening in,' here's the way it works- You have two ways of attracting the notice of survelance. 1- contact foreign numbers that are known to be connected with terrorist activities. 2- (and this isn't a public certainty) Include key words in you conversation that a computer, which is merely listening, not recording, picks up on and then flags you for later investigation.
   
   I don't know about you, but i don't usually talk about "kill"ing the "president" or setting a "bomb" or how to "highjack" a "plane" while working for "Al-Queda" and posing as an "imam," etc. etc. While talking in arabic too.
   
   Until militant Islamic terrorism is less of a threat, I don't particularly care if someone listens in with a coversation I have with my girl or family. But then, if that's all there is to it, then they wouldn't be.
   
   K, there's my peace. Hope you're all better informed now ;-).

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1. testudo

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   03/25, 12:40pm | report spam | close reply

   idiots

   From someone who knows someone invloved with the 'listening in,' here's the way it works- You have two ways of attracting the notice of survelance. 1- contact foreign numbers that are known to be connected with terrorist activities. 2- (and this isn't a public certainty)...
   
   So your friend of a friend says. Then again, who says this won't change? Esp. since this has changed dramatically in the last 10 years, under no control by anyone, apparently.
   
   And since the FBI can just file a letter with a telecom saying "We want everything here" without even have a judge look at it, who says they aren't listening to everything?
   
   Until militant Islamic terrorism is less of a threat, I don't particularly care if someone listens in with a coversation I have with my girl or family. But then, if that's all there is to it, then they wouldn't be.
   
   And who decides when that dies away? And based on all past experiences with every aspect of gov't, what makes you think that, if militant Islamism disappeared tomorrow, that they'd say "Hey, now we can return you your rights".
   
   And why limit it to this, then? You should be campaigning to have the gov't monitor listen in on all your calls, read your mail, record every conversation you have, know everywhere you go, everything you do.
   
   Because there's terrorists out there! We need to keep our freedoms safe by abandoning them in the name of 'security'!

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1. testudo

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   re: testudo

   And how has Bush destroyed our civil liberties?
   
   I want concrete examples. Not wishy washy sweeping generalizations that don't hold water when exposed to scrutiny.
   
   Hmmm, warrantless wire-taps. The patriot act (just pick a piece, any piece, it's all c***). Limitless incarceration without trial (oh, right, they're "enemy combatants", it's OK to lock people up forever).
   
   There used to be a right to privacy in this country. Now its "Prove your innocent because you could be guilty". The US used to be a shining beacon of hope to the rest of the world. Now they look like just a bunch of hypocrites.

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1. chadpengar

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   re: testudo

   "warrantless wiretaps"
   
   Do you know how those work? You obviously don't. These are not what the media makes them out to be and don't destroy anyone's civil liberties, unless you are a terrorist.
   
   "patriot act" Again, please provide details on how this destroys anyones civil liberties. Don't regurgitate media "scares". Please give details on how this specifically destroys civil liberties.
   
   "enemy combatants". "Soldiers" captured are not guaranteed to be released until the war is over (has always been that way) and do not have any rights to a trial. The "war" against radical islam and associated terrorists is not a law enforcement action. It is a literal war. Too bad too may Americans and Westerners don't understand that. The ilitant Islamicists certainly do understand it.
   
   "testudo" is great at making contentless sound bites but is really lacking in any sort if support for his statements.
   
   "Where's the Beef" testudo? Show me explicit examples of how the things you mentioned violate any US Citizen's civil rights.

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1. sanford

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   03/25, 02:44pm | report spam | close reply

   You're right

   "where in the article... ...was the MBA actually trashed?
   
   I only saw where it mentioned it as an example of a laptop that uses an SSD."
   
   He doesn't trash the Air, he only uses it as an example of a case where an HDD version of a really small portable is perhaps a bit of a luxury in cost, but the SSD version price is not really sane.
   
   I really like SSD in my iPhone because of what it does for battery life. I'm fine with the HDD in my Air because there are many more factors at work in battery life in the Air. But then you notice HDD-based iPod classics get similar iPod-function battery life to iPhones.
   
   I know it happens, but I've thrice in 22 years had a hard drive fail on me -- and two were controllers, not the drives; only one drive, a head crash due to firmware issues, a Seagate as a matter of fact, replaced in two days by Seagate with fixed firmware, and I had everything backed up and was down maybe two hours -- and never had an HDD iPod, even with the usual rigors of iPod use, including one drop to concrete and one flying toss onto the road during a mugging, fail on me.
   
   This is something I think effects consumers less than it does hardware designers.
   
   Aside chadpengar, although what this has to do with storage media format I don't know, being afraid of your own shadow as you obviously are will kill a lot sooner than any terrorist attack.