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1. akulavolk

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   05/15, 05:07pm | report spam | (2 replies) close | reply

   Interesting...

   ...when the iPhone came out, most detractors blasted the touch screen input idea...especially the virtual keyboard. Now that the iPhone has done so well, most people probably don't remember the early criticism of the iPhone...people predicting it would fail miserably because of Apple's late entry to the mobile market.The people I most heard predicting the iPhone's demise were Blackberry fans. Maybe they were trying to justify a recent Blackberry purchase when the iPhone looked cool. Or maybe it was just different enough from their miniature-keyed mobile to seem strange. Either way, there were a lot of Blackberry fans dissing the virtual keyboard idea.Funny that the Blackberry will go touchscreen now.

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1. dliup

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   05/15, 05:32pm | report spam | close reply

   follow the leader

   They are doing what the iPod wannabe has been doing, unsuccessfully for years: Follow The Leader.

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1. MacnnChester

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   Market defining

   This just means that the market will be split into a few fragments:
   1. Thumb-heads, who gotsta text message every 5 minutes or die.
   2. Touchie-Feelies, who like to glide from app to app on glassy goodness and who spend more time navigating the web or watching videos.
   3. Telephonies, who mostly want something cheap, small and with a little camera so they can talk, talk, talk.
   
   BB had the first group, iPhone has the second, and everyone else splits the third. Both RIM and Apple will try to fill the other two groups as they can afford to without watering down their cores. Simple.

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1. luckyday

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   05/15, 11:19pm | report spam | close reply

   You are all the best.

   Who are you guys? Unreal. Apple came out with a phone a year ago. I can god damn assure you there are hundreds of functions and applications on the iphone that have been copied straight out of the playbooks of nokia, motorola and RIM. Who cares? Companies try new things. They steal ideas. Everyone does it.
   
   So now you have a touchscreen blackberry coming out. You know nothing about it. You don't know if it has an additional keyboard; yet, you sit there criticizing blackberry users? Thumbheads? The blackberry caught on because of mobile email. Because people have jobs. Jobs that would never support an iphone.
   
   Go watch your movie on your iphone. I can step out in public without having to watch a movie. What I can't do, is disregard my business because I am out of the office. And anybody with a profession that requires diligent email correspondence will recognize the plethora of advantages the blackberry has, and will have, over the iphone for years to come. Not to mention you all fail to realize the benefits of having a multitude of phones, rather than just 1 model, the "iphone".
   
   In sum, get a grip. Not just on your iphone and your little brothers c*ck; rather, on reality. The worst part about being a supporter of a company that prides itself on the notion of being different alone, is that when every joe blow on the street has an iphone and a macbook, you'll all feel like a bunch of idiots.

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1. nat

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   05/16, 12:42pm | report spam | close reply

   oh dear!

   so lucky ol' boy, can you god damn name a couple? thanks, much appreciate it.
   
   my dear boy, the term thumbheads has been bandied about for some time now.
   
   the point made is that critics poopah'd the iphone and now they're running to catch up. and it's a gen 1 so your points about the blackberry will have to wait a bit to see if business will "never" support it.
   
   hey, next time your on that 5 hour flight and you can't make a call so your bb is just a brick in your pocket think about how cool it would be if you could watch a movie on it! wow. what a concept.
   
   and who's reality should we be gripping? yours? i don't want your reality. god damn, you just ranted and ignored the point. nope, simply will not do. i'll stick to my reality thank you god damn very much.

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1. luckyday

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   05/16, 06:51pm | report spam | close reply

   Haha

   Ya sure. I'll name a couple. A screen, a power button, candybar design, wi-fi, a camera, a battery, the ability to make phone calls, send SMS messages, send emails, search maps, bluetooth, and every other function. The first mobile phone didnt have all these functions, so when apple came along last year with their first phone, many of the iphone's functions were functions that were both tried and tested by companies like nokia and motorola that have paved their way. Albeit that the iphone has "revolutionary touchscreen." But they are not even close to the first phone to have one. Touchscreens have been used on a variety of devices in the last decade including video cameras, and even kitchen appliances. So the touchscreen technology is nothing new. The iphone has proven there is maybe a greater demand for a touchscreen device on a mobile phone. Much like earlier phones proved there was a consumer demand for the plethora of other features the iphone assumed from its earlier competititors. With that being said, I can hardly fault a profit driven company from paying attention to consumer demands and catering to such. The fact that RIM and the other cell phone companies have many phones, rather than one, means that they can compete for various demographics. Yes, the initial business user may not want a touchscreen blackberry, but some kid that used to have an iphone might. The beauty of this situation for both of us, is that it results in healthy competition, which simply results in better phones for all users.
   
   I also believe i can safely assume that business will not support an iphone for several reasons. Firstly, it doesn't have the necessary security or administrative features. Yet, that can be changed. What can't be changed is the immature attitude of the majority of its users. Reading the comments on this blog alone is all the evidence I need. Not to claim that I am myself mature, but I'm not your typical blackberry user. Mac users are against any sort of competition, whether innovative or useful. Anything newer, that may be better is countered with useless and trivial banter that isnt grounded in any fact whatsoever. Much like your response. Apple can not cater to the needs of the business world, while still sufficing the needs of the typical mac user.
   
   And next time I am on a five hour flight, I will finish the novel I'm reading, read the paper, do some work, or plan my upcoming week. There are many more things to do in life than sit in front of a screen.
   
   Good luck with yours.

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1. Guest

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   05/17, 02:20pm | report spam | close reply

   cooldude

   Me thinks luckyday is jealous. Hey luck, get with the 21st century and buy yourself an iPhone. You sound like an important executive with all of your business talk so money shouldn't be an issue. If so, just take some cash from mom's purse.
   
   Blackberry...keeping it old school.

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1. luckyday

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   05/17, 03:04pm | report spam | close reply

   Been there, done that.

   Tried the iphone. Returned it. Can't have a device that lacks a spare battery. Need more battery life.

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1. nat

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   05/17, 04:33pm | report spam | close reply

   huh?

   "Anything newer, that may be better is countered with useless and trivial banter that isnt grounded in any fact whatsoever. Much like your response"
   
   uh, what? my dear dear boy, my response was about, uh, your response, not about competition, facts, or anything else in that oh so tiring monologue of yours. i know you got lost in that little diatribe but don't make such silly errors. no one will take you seriously if you're unable to both read and comprehend.
   
   so, back to the issues, you say that business will not take to the iphone because the posters here at macnn are immature. i know you thought long and hard on that but i simply must disagree. why, it sounds just a tad far fetched. do you have any statistics that show that business will not try to make money from the ipone because of the posters here? i'd love to see it.
   
   

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1. nat

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   05/17, 04:38pm | report spam | close reply

   Excellent point

   "And next time I am on a five hour flight, I will finish the novel I'm reading, read the paper, do some work, or plan my upcoming week. There are many more things to do in life than sit in front of a screen."
   
   yep, clearly anybody that chooses to watch a movie will never ever read a novel, plan their week, read a paper or do some work. yep, in your reality (recall that i really don't want to grip your reality) they are mutually exclusive, should one tire of the paper or finish the novel or complete the weeks schedule or finish work and still have 2 hours of flight left then they simply should not watch a screen because life is more than that.
   brilliant i say! stunning! don't know how that escaped me.
   
   

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1. luckyday

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   05/17, 09:26pm | report spam | close reply

   Haha

   Haha. Ok. Your response was also about me naming something that apple copied, the fact that competitors to the iphone are playing catch-up, and that the next gen iphone may be further supported by businesses. Perhaps you missed all that. Not to mention, I wasn't only referring to you and your post.
   
   Further, I stated several other reasons business will not take to the iphone. Not to mention, I don't think this mac culture phenomenon reflects the attitudes of only the posters at Macnn. The fact that the premise of mac television and online advertisements for the last year is putting down windows computers and its users is a pretty strong indication that the phenomenon runs much deeper than that.
   
   In any other social situation, consistent statements of "I am better then so and so" would only lead the person listening to think that the person suffers from a lack of confidence. Think about it.
   
   Lastly, I didn't say mac users didn't read. I said that I would read a book and that I didn't need the ability to watch a film. So superior email capabilities, longer battery life, and a more professional look are more important to me. Not to mention we are talking about the Bold now which easily has the capabilities to watch a film in that "2 hours of flight left."
   
   Finally, thank you for your life lessons on how to get people to take me seriously. I will take them to heart and perhaps one day I will be a better person. Which means I will have an iphone of my own, and the two of us can watch great movies together on a 3.5 inch screen.

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1. Guest

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   05/17, 10:14pm | report spam | close reply

   lucky? more like angry

   "Tried the iphone. Returned it."
   
   Riiiiight. LOL!
   
   

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1. nat

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   05/17, 10:29pm | report spam | close reply

   hmmm

   "Reading the comments on this blog alone is all the evidence I need."
   aside from this, what other reason did you offer about business? i sure can't find it.
   
   "Lastly, I didn't say mac users didn't read".
   nor did i say you said that. what you did say is that there are many more things to do in life, you didn't use "my" life, but life in general. you can add the personal in your rebuttal but doesn't hold much water in the way of a valid reply. what your needs are are your needs, not mine, so don't apply them to me or others as some sort of legitimate point.
   
   social situations eh? advertising is a social situation? or does it just bother you that apple makes these claims? you want me to think about a commercial and apply it to a social situation? uh, no thanks, i know what commercials are.
   where do you stand on "secure by design, default and deployment"?
   
   hey, no worries about the life lessons, we're all in this together. i'll always be there for ya. you just call out my name, and, well, darn it, you know, wherever i am, i'll come runnin'...
   
   

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1. luckyday

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   05/17, 11:35pm | report spam | close reply

   Thanks again

   "Firstly, it doesn't have the necessary security or administrative features." Go read it again. Surely, you cant miss that line twice. I will gladly explain it to you if you want, but google it and maybe you can discover for yourself.
   
   Your next argument doesn't make sense. Nothing I said leads to a conclusion that iphone users don't read. Yes, I said there are many more things to do in life generally. I'm pretty sure you agree that that is strue. But then I said "I" would read, and "I" would plan, etc.
   
   Yes, I believe advertising is social; however, what I meant was, if a human embodied apple's advertising techniques you would probably find that person to be a little sad. Rather than saying apple is great because of such and such quality, the message is apple is great because it is better than something else. Therefore, my larger message is that the sense of juvenile competition runs pretty deep in the apple context.
   
   Likewise, I will be there for you. Even when you realize you are wrong ;)

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1. luckyday

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   05/17, 11:37pm | report spam | close reply

   Thanks again

   And as for the guest LOLing, you don't think anyone has bought an iphone and returned it? With a regular phone if the battery dies, you can change the battery on the fly. With the iphone, you have to charge it from scratch. Pretty big deal, don't you think? Unfortunately, with such a big screen, the battery life was not as good was I had hoped for.

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1. nat

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   05/18, 09:47am | report spam | close reply

   ah nuts

   "Nothing I said leads to a conclusion that iphone users don't read."
   uh, that's twice now and this is twice i'm not saying you did. what you did is to apply your needs to everyone. pretty much like you applied your reality to everyone. you're passing judgement based on what YOU like. won't fly, it simply will not do.
   go back and read your first post. it's not a list of iphone shortcomings, it's an attack on other posters and your arguments are based on what YOU like.
   
   if a human embodied apple's advertising technique? you want me to consider that? seriously? it's a frickin business, running frickin ads no, will not do. you can make that leap but don't expect me to come along with you. methinks you need to get away from the tv a little more if you find ads so disturbing.
   you didn't answer my question, you don't like apple's "we're better than you are" but what about ms blatant lies in advertising?
   
   don't like the iphone? dont' get one. don't like the posters here? don't read them. what the h*** are you doing here anyway? when all is said and done, just a troll after all. there are windows forums ya know.

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1. luckyday

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   05/18, 11:58am | report spam | close reply

   So long!

   You are an idiot. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I am sorry. I give up. Final remarks:
   
   A) You read it again. I will repeat it again for you, I simply stated that I (personally) will read a book because there are more things to do in life (generally) than sit in front of a screen. I didn't say EVERYONE SHOULD read a book. What a stupid point to argue about.
   B) So comparisons can be made between a corporation and a human, but not advertising (one of its major methods of communication)? Ok.
   C) I'm not on Macnn. I am on electronista which isn't a purley mac blog (at least it pretends not to be). They happen to share the same forum.
   
   Thank you for proving my case and point.
   
   Good day!

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   So long!

   Oh just noticed your blatant lies remark. Haha. Ok. I will let you know after I redeem my $40 credit because apple lied about the ipods battery life and got sued for it. God bless Canada.
   
   If MS is "lying" then there are judicial methods by which people can hold them accountable. Unfortunately, the same methods don't exist for a corporation personifying itself as a child, and creating an army of mindless followers.
   
   No point in responding, will never open this article again. It depresses me.

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1. nat

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   05/18, 09:25pm | report spam | close reply

   finally!

   
   idiot eh? the last resort for the lost argument. predictable as tomorrow.
   you take care now, ya hear?
   

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1. Guest

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   05/18, 09:45pm | report spam | close reply

   Who cares?

   A) who cares what you like?
   B) You are the one making the comparison between them! But who cares what comparisons you make?
   C) don't want to call you an idiot but... look around...