As always Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer once again prove that MS is just another 2 bit follower and not really an innovator. Innovation by MS means 2 year old technology badly implemented so that users get extras like unlimited virus, frequent crashes, etc. A true computing experience. How wonderful.

Apple should sue. Can't these b******* come up with anything of their own?

Certainly, we do not want touching the screen display of a computer because it create finger print all over the clean display area which we mostly keep.

The touch screen function appear on the touch pad design by Apple is what we need, not the computer display.

Microsoft needs some fresh blood. Apple consistently comes up with great products and new innovations. Even anti-Apple people like testudo can't stay away from Apple sites. Come on MS. You have the resources. Come up with some cool stuff.

Come on. Microsoft Surface has been in development since 2001.

Funny that the only articles that ever get comments on this forum are about Windows. p**** envy guys?

Btw, I'm not sure about testudo but I am on this forum because of electronista.com. Not Macnn. Not an apple devoted blog. Also I would hardly call testudo anti-apple. Perhaps a voice of reason amongst fanboys.

And we all know if apple can sue, they will sue. Let's see how this all pans out, girls.

testudo, or is luckyday just another name he's chosen? either way, coming here and attacking posters won't win friends or influence people. have a comment on the article? great, post it. or are you going to go the testudo route and just bash other posters? p**** envy? girls? my my. yet another "voice of reason". you can't use that however as testudo has claimed that title for himself. just ask him.

Leave it to MS to steal yet again. They never have anything of their own, they always have to steal from somebody, not always Apple, but they do steal from almost everyone it seams. They [MS] don't have any idea what innovation is. Hey, MS, do something original for a change and maybe you would stop losing your market share to Apple.

That demo looks like what was demonstrated in NY two years ago. You know, the demo that Apple saw and licensed some of the tech for use in the iPhone? Both the iPhone and Surface seem to spring from the same basic tech, but Apple only grabbed what would be the most useful for the iPhone while MS tried to shrink a chalkboard sized multi-touch display into a coffee table sized display and now laptops.

Either way, it could be a great way to get away from mouse & keyboard input technologies. Now as mentioned above, someone needs to develop anti-finger oil tech or we'll all be constantly wiping laptop screens like I currently do after using my iPhone.

Just what we need, a bunch of windows nitwits dragging their greasy fingers all over the screen. Oh, yeah. I use a Mac. No need for finger painting since there are real tools like Wacom drawing tablets.

surface since 2001? funny.. i haven't seen that. my pc at work doesn't have it. nor my laptop.. in fact, nobody i know has a surface enabled pc.

i had a hitachi tablet once that used a stylus .. but it wasn't touch, nor pan, nor zoom, nor rotate or anything like the iphone/touchad interface Apple has created for that matter.

so if by surface you mean VAPOR then, yes, it has been around for pcs since 2001. in fact, monople$oft has been making vapor for a long time now.

truth be told, Surface was concieved in 2001. no prtotypes were made until 2003. it didn't become an actual development group until 2004. NO PRODUCTS WERE RELEASED UNTIL 2007. And what did they release? A big table with a touchscreen. lol. truly ground breaking.

yeah, surface has been around since 2001. that's a good one. thanks for the laugh.

I think they were working on the technology. Not the actual table itself, hot shot. Attempting to refute claims that MS is copying apple. By demonstrating that they have been working on touchscreen technology in some form since 2001, and had a working prototype since 2004, it seems pretty clear that they aren't copying Apple's technology.

Does that make sense to you?

Let me get this straight, when apple came out with the iphone, fingers on your screen was acceptable. Now it's not? Make up your minds. And god forbid out of the dozens of mac posters there is one for the other side.

I thought we were done with our chat. Sometimes when you are amongst people that can't see another perspective, you need to say things to get noticed.

Just like MS. Pour chocolate on it and it makes everything better. Meh...

How about MS gets it's operating system to do the basic things properly first THEN add the candy.

They're still tussling with basic functionality Apple solved 20 years ago.

yeap, it's testudo, same old c*** - name calling, incredibly childish and lame arguments... blah blah blah.

you come here, luckyboy, to do nothing but lambast apple folks, as though there's no lambasting going on over at the ms sites. sigh. going to change the world are you? going to make us see the light of day by getting noticed with simple name calling?
my dear boy, if you have a stance there are many here among us that will gladly debate points of interest but if you choose to use the last resort of the lost debate, the personal attack, then don't expect a sympathetic ear.
if you don't want to be reprimanded then confine your posts to the articles.

And it will work as well as... um...Windows ME or Windows Vista! Whee!

He's got the likely outcome and I wish they would get it over with, as it will be a pleasure to see MS try to spin that failure....

Haha. I'm definitely not testudo.

Reprimanded? You sound like my grandmother.

For the last time, I am not on an apple site!!! I am on electronista.com! Go check it out.

Nobody here likes to debate anything. You like to criticize without any retort or confrontation. Its irritating. Pick a topic. We will debate it. Please do.

the site doesn't seem to stop you from bashing the apple supporters. you can disagree with them all you want, just keep a civil tongue.
you bring YOUR reality and YOUR needs and YOUR likes and YOUR dislikes and a bunch of name calling. i don't see you making an argument without them, as though somebody here cares about your personal view. nobody is going to engage in a debate with that. i certainly won't.

"Oh, and Apple doesn't have to make great products. They've shown that people will flock to OK products that look good."

that's because nothing apple does or will do is ever good enough for you.

i must say, your imaginary g5, is that an "OK" product too? seems stupid to me to spend so much money on a machine because it's only "OK". hypocrite.

""Oh, and Apple doesn't have to make great products. They've shown that people will flock to OK products that look good."

stated as a fact when it's YOUR opinion. unless.. have some stats to back that up? some report somewhere?

Here you go, the real thing, and regardless of who invented it, I suspect it will be the next big thing:

http://www.perceptivepixel.com/

Oh nat. You are no better than me, my friend! And I am not calling you names, because I am losing the argument, rather, I am attempting to show you the intellectual limitations on any argument that we can have. Sorry!

Can you show me one comment in this entire thread that is not a personal view or opinion. Please. It is a challenge. Aside from the one I gave about microsoft being in touchscreen development since 2001, which is a fact not opinion. So lets hear it!

Hahahahahahaha. Im dying. Honestly. I just clicked on your name and saw all your previous thread messages. More than half of them are about getting help for problems with your new apple computer! That's great. Really. Super reliable computer, eh? :)

"intellectual limitations" eh? now that i'm aware that you are handicapped i'll take that into consideration when dealing with you. i'm a nice guy.

ah! such a clever boy to have realized that there are opinions here, however they are about products, companies, etc. you, dear boy, make them about people because you don't like their opinions about products, companies, etc. can you see the difference? take your time...


problems with my computer? a configuration issue perhaps here and there but problems? as a former NT network administrator for 4 years and in pc support for 9 years i know about problems. these aren't it. but hey, no matter. oh my! i'm touched, really, that you have taken such an interest in me! it's all very flattering! you'll always be number 1 in my book.

You mean you are not a grandmother? Haha.

Go back and check your history. They are not configuration issues! Keyboard problems. Noises coming from the screen. Software problems. OS problems. You've dealt with it all! Maybe you should switch to PC? Never had a problem I couldn't fix myself.

my dear dear boy, i don't know what you're reading but over 15 years in windows support and i can tell you there is simply no comparison. none whatsoever. and you can fix it yourself? well, bully for you! now, how about grandma down the road? can she fix it as well?

and on a personal note...
i'm not ashamed to admit that i'm getting a bit misty about all this personal attention. it's so touching. really. yours is a big heart, one of gold i'm sure. i'll send you my birthday so you can follow up this unexpected show of devotion with a nice gift. as i said, no. 1 in my book!

Does a keyboard need an ESC key to be considered "full-sized?"