I know Canon didn't invent the accelerometer. It was a joke. I was merely pointing out its widespread use.

Not sure if they were the first, but they have certainly been using a touch screen for a lot longer than Apple. Since at least 2002 with the Tungsten, but I think they had several prior (I'm not a palm expert). They were certainly well known for their touch screen approach.

Although it wasn't multi-touch or as advanced as apple's touch screen, it's reasonable to believe that a more advanced touchscreen was inevitable evolution... You disagree?

For a struggling company, I think Palm deserves a little credit for the Pre. I'm not a palm fan. I've never owned one.... but the hardware and OS look pretty damn good.

If Hypercard was created at Apple, and mjtomlin is claiming it was the inspiration for the world wide web... testudo's comments are not such a stretch.

Testudo always thinks he's being cute.

Damn, I am cute!

Sometimes, as though by accident, he makes a salient point.

I think what you mean is that "His points are mostly salient. But I discount any point that offers an opposing view to mine."

Most of the time, however, he comes across as one of those people who think they know it all.

Bah! I don't know it all. No one does. It is impossible. But I know more than most would grant me credit for.


He also seems to take offense at most things pro-Apple, no matter what the context.

No, I take offense at items that are "pro" or "anti" anyone for no reason other than personal bias. The "If it was made by apple, its a thing of beauty, and made by anyone else, and its fugly" stuff. Or the "Its from MS, so it must suck!" (I wonder how many people who bash vista have even used it at all).

But I also take offense at anything that would be pro-MS or anti-Apple for the same reason (the Epic-fail idiot, or the 12-year-old kid who posted the same stupid post about the keynote on every article). But everyone else takes offense too, so it is lost in the shuffle.

Of course, on these sites, if you dare question Apple, you're considered a troll and with some anti-Apple agenda (which would be foolish, as my Apple stock has already taken a big hit in the last year).

Oh, and if you look at Wikipedia about Berners-Lee, you'd see that he wrote his first hypertext program in 1980.

So, if anything, we now have to give Berners-Lee props for inspiring hypercard.

And since he had already dealt with hypertext systems, that pretty much kill touting that hypercard "inspired" the www.

everything palm said it does pans out, I'll be getting one. Been a fan for years. Now if apple would sell the iphone through other carriers, I would get an iphone. AT&T sucks and would never go back. Apple looses on its choice of carrier!

What about the Newton line (1993-1997)?

How Palm Pre Stands Against Nokia N97 , I've done a detailed review at
http://senseapplied.com/index.php/palm-pre-vs-nokia-n97/

[So, if anything, we now have to give Berners-Lee props for inspiring hypercard.]

Doubtful. HyperCard was a total embodiment, not just hypertext but a complete environment- and BTW Steve Jobs had little to do with Bill Atkinson's invention, which was a skunk works item which adapted a Smalltalk-like scripting language, and the first Mosaic browser stole heavily from it with its Home button, Next Previous arrows, et al.

Yeah. HyperCard was cool, and its current incarnations prove it- Revolution, SuperCard, etc. Can't hurt the Palm OS to adopt some of that.

Also, Palm engineers were former Apple engineers.