Just please tell me what you do for a living. Please! It's not so much to ask.

Youre talking about specs over features. Dont get me wrong.. I love specs too :) We are in the minority there. This is like the Palm Pre talking about running multiple apps at once. Techies care about such specs, but the general public doesn't. They care about features and apps.

OLED and 720p is not something people care about (or even know what the h*** that is)

They may not care about "specs" per say, but they care about better image quality and better battery life, which OLED results in. No?

They can also understand numerical comparisons, such as "2x as fast" (otherwise why would people buy the 3GS? So, a faster processor and better graphics chip must also matter to the general public. Not true?

your interest in me is so touching! i'm gettin misty.

i don't have a cell phone, i have a touch. i would like a camera. S***** or otherwise. there are quite a few folks that have the touch that have very basic cell phones (no camera). go to the touch forums and you can read about them.

You don't have a cell phone? Wow. High tech guy, nat!

Yes, there are people that don't have camera phones, you are right. But, I doubt there are many people that will spend that much money on a top of the line mp3 player, and then have an entry level phone.

Furthermore, close to 90% of mobile phones have cameras now. In fact, of the 71 phones for sale by AT&T... 64 of them have cameras. Of the 17 "free" phones... 13 have cameras.

In other words, better battery life, better picture, faster games and applications, will impact a lot more people than yet another low end camera. h***, doesn't that explain why apple (and everyone else) has waited so long? Hundreds of mp3 devices, I can't think of any with a camera. Yet cheaper cell phones have cameras, so it obviously not a price or manufacturing issue. It's useless for the most part.

$10 cheaper than a Touch is like spitting into a gale force wind. It's very unlikely that people would choose a Zune over an iPod Touch for a measly $10 price reduction. The applications that the Touch can run are worth hundreds of dollars in value. And then there's the coolness factor which the Touch wins hands down.

I have yet to see any comparisons on battery life or speeds between the 2, so if that is the case, then yes.. people might care. But for now, that is purely speculation.

and since the last Touch was released in Sept of 2008, A new one is in the pipeline i'm sure. So now youre trying to compare a product that has only been announced with a product you know nothing about.

And just curious.. is a better battery life and better screen the only thing you care about when purchasing say... a laptop? Isn't it about the product as a whole?

my dear dear boy. there are a great many people who don't want to pay crazy monthly bills for a cell phone yet still have all the touch has to offer. bare bones phones are doing quite well.

as for high tech guy, why i am, thank you very much. have been for over 30 years now. not having a cell phone has no bearing on that. you should be careful where you go with your barbs. there's a very good reason i don't have a cell phone.

And that reason is?

There are exceptions to every rule. My point is that most people that are interested in the ipod touch already have a low quality camera on them when they walk around. Therefore, if they already have a camera, they won't care too much about having another one.

"My point is that most people that are interested in the ipod touch already have a low quality camera on them when they walk around."

really? and you have, of course, some statistics for this to show us?

One of the major benefits of OLED screens is better battery life. I assume that microsoft is using the more expensive screens for a reason. But you are right that's just an assumption.

Did I start the comparison? No! I was responding to someone else. And you joined in that comparison. So now all of a sudden you pull out that argument? Ya, if the new ipod touch has an OLED screen and a better processor, then this conversation is moot. But it won't because apple isnt going to put specs on an mp3 player that are better than the new iphone. I think that's a reasonable assumption.

Once again, i was responding to comments that the camera on the iphone will kill the zune. i am talking specifically about the addition of a camera being useless to most people.

Will you all stop whining about stupidity and get back to the matter at hand.

Nat and Eldarkus are supposed to be mocking the Zune for any and all reasons they can come up with.

Luckyday, you're distracting them from all that makes them feel as if they are part of something important...

what rubbish! the zune doesn't need us to be ridiculous. ms has done that all on it's own. come come now.

i'm not hear to knock the zune, i'm hear to help you and luck with your difficulties. i'll always be here for the both of you.

"I want an iPod with that, no phone, no internet, just the iPod. I don't have a cell phone (yeah, I know...) and don't want one but an iPod with the huge screen and cool navigation"

- Nat, January 10, 2007.

Ohhh and now you want a camera... to go along with all that internet you didn't want.

your continued interest in me is really quite moving. taking the time to find posts 2.5 years old! truly, your admiration is too much. but i must insist that you move one. no, really. it is no good, i'm undeserving of such adulation.

I wonder if the boys at MS are using the X-Box market winning strategy. Hmmm

So why dont you have a cell phone?

sorry man...

NEW ZUNE = EPIC FAIL!!!

your continued interest in me is overwhelming! i'm becoming embarrassed!

now, let's just step back and compose ourselves, shall we?

slapppy, of course they are, they have no other strategy.

Auww shucks. You got me. I'm in love.

For someone over 30, you really need to learn how to use the English language. Can you HEAR me, I'm over HERE?

how right you are ol' bean! well done indeed. of course, the problem is i type very fast and am prone to many mistakes. there's no end to the troubles that gets me into.


and of course, there's nothing quite like those chaps who feel that grammar and spell checking is relevant to the conversation on some level. nonetheless, good job! all sins forgiven.

Just to change the general line of comments up to this point, but there seems to be a couple of details not addressed in this article. The main one is that the mention of the $10 lower price than an entry level Touch doesn't mention that they're comparing an 8GB Touch to a 16GB Zune HD. Apple will need to drop the price at least $70 on the 16GB Touch to come close.

The other detail is the "leaked" picture shows Best Buy getting a "shipment" of 2 units (demos?). Could the $219 price be some kind of wholesale price as opposed to a list price?

I love my Touch, but $219 for a 16GB OLED touchscreened Zune in a slimmer format, ie, closer is size and style to the Touch, could give the Touch a run for it's money. The camera is a nice addition, but if Apple also includes GPS and compass capability to the new touch, then I imagine the virtual worlds capability (the examples being the subway finder in London app or astronomy app where you point your iphone at the sky and it overlays information on the screen about what stars or planets are in that area of the sky) might actually be a better selling point for the Touch.

I originally thought the $249 price was cheap for the new Zune considering the memory capacity and screen. So it will be interesting when Apple brings out the new Touch and we'll see how they stack up.

My money is on Apple, literally.

Is there anyone here who is over the age of ten years old.

The non-topic posts here sound like a squabbling match in an elementary sand box. Dudes, take your toys and go home...or get a room.

Only problem with that on the touch is that you'd need to be in a wifi zone. Not as useful for roaming the streets...

do give us a break. did you do as i suggested and visit the zune link to the other article the other day? the title says the guy has tears in his eyes. over a product that's not available yet. then the posts! ah, the posts. people wetting themselves over it.

so do be a good lad and bugger off.

luck and i are just having our bi-monthly bit of fun. it's really the only time we have to get at each other a bit. so have a chuckle and lighten up.

Ya, arguing with Nat is much better than Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing. You should see my fingers fly in my fits of rage.

the title says the guy has tears in his eyes. over a product that's not available yet. then the posts! ah, the posts. people wetting themselves over it.

And this is different than Mac/iPod/iPhone users drooling over announced new products how?

that's the spirit! however, do take care that you don't type too fast or the english language police will have a run at you.

ah, testudo. i was wondering when you would come around to your daily same ol' same ol'. always nice to know that some things will never change. rather heartwarming really.

Same ol' same ol' from me?

Oh nat, kettle calling pot black there, no?

my dear lost boy. whether or not we do the same ol' same ol' is beside the point, it's that grating noise about doing it that you bring to the table, that incessant whining about something you can never change. no more than i could change the ms fanbois by hanging out at their sites complaining about them all the day.

still... in a bizarre way... yes, yes it is... it's rather endearing! that never say die spirit, that way you relentlessly bang your head against a wall that will not yield.

The Zune leaks, squirts, and even comes in brown. Is it an mp3 player or olestra?