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1. jarod

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   11/05, 05:38pm | report spam | close reply

   Sad

   So sad to hear about how many bloody morons still buy this garbage. Siigh. Elitist technology was never meant for the masses anyhow. Idiots.

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1. zaghahzag

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   11/05, 05:46pm | report spam | close reply

   so lame

   Vista barely counts because it was such a POS. Win 7 is a decent product selling into a market that is probably 2x bigger than XP. It better sell more than previous OSes.

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1. testudo

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   11/05, 05:49pm | report spam | close reply

   but, jarod

   If everyone dumped Windows and bought macs, you would lose your sense of superiority.

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1. luckyday

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   11/05, 06:04pm | report spam | close reply

   Hmm

   All the critical reviews say its a great OS. Even Mossberg who we all know goes down on Steve Jobs each and every friday says its great. So why are all the comments on this forum so negative? Is it because its garbage? Or is it because you fanboys are so insecure about your purchase that you need pound the blog world with your useless comments? I wonder....

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1. chas_m

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   11/05, 06:17pm | report spam | close reply

   Ballmer is lying

   Windows 7 may indeed be as fine a product as they say (it couldn't be any worse, after all), but in the middle of one of the worst recessions in US history, I flat don't believe Ballmer's claim, specifically when he can't or won't provide specifics. It's not like he hasn't lied about this stuff before.
   
   And hats off Trolltudo for finally coming up with a pithy, funny line. Geez, it's about time, but good job.

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1. bigpoppa206

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   11/05, 06:29pm | report spam | close reply

   these sales numbers

   are direct from Redmond WA of course!

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1. Mr. Strat

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   11/05, 06:38pm | report spam | close reply

   Monkey Boy strikes again

   Windows 7 is pretty decent - and that coming from a hardcore Mac guy. But I'm not running out to buy a PC because of it.
   
   Do they HAVE to use a picture of this moron every time they post Microsoft news?

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1. VinitaBoy

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   11/05, 06:43pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   @Hmm

   According to a recent report from an IT security firm, 80% of the viruses/trojans/worms/malware that infected Vista back to Windows II still--STILL--infects Windows 7! For the love of Pete!
   
   Isn't that enough for any computer user, much less us "fanboys," to abhor anything Microsoft? How much extra money must users pay per year/month/decade for ADDITIONAL virus protection before they can feel secure within that environment? Is this too much to ask from Mr. Ballmer, et al? And where's the [free/built-in] iLife suite for Win7? Must I BUY "Office" to be even remotely as productive on a PC?
   
   Remember, this is the same CEO (Steve B.) that said the iPhone would NEVER achieve any kind of market penetration as long as WinMob exists. How's that prediction working out? Zune? Pink? Big-a** Table? This man is a clown, an idiot; his company is a lumbering, impotent, megabeast, and his stock is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.
   
   Good luck, Hmm. You and MS deserve each other. (Oh, and before you bring up the market share issue, if that is truly your rationale for evaluating a computer OS, McDonalds makes the finest hamburger in the world. FYI: It doesn't.)

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1. JeffHarris

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   11/05, 07:04pm | report spam | close reply

   Another Rounding Error

   The WinDrones haven't had a real OS upgrade in over 8 years, so one would HOPE it would sell well. But then we all know they'll pretty much settle for any POS-OS from Redmond.
   
   Regardless of sales numbers or whatever spin Microsoft and their paid Band of Shills put on it, it's STIIL been over 8 years since XP and Microsoft STILL hasn't released an OS with a moden underlying architecture. Win7 is little more than Vista with a load of bug fixes, a new skin and a handful of features stolen from Mac OS X.
   
   Do we, or should we care about this?
   
   

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1. Okonomiyaki

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   11/05, 07:07pm | report spam | close reply

   Better than Vista! Better than Vista!

   We just replaced an old XP machine with a brand new one running Windows7. I never used Vista so I guess I'm missing out on that "Better than Vista" euphoria. What I can tell you is that it is noticeably much slower in startup and ordinary usage than my 3.5 year old iMac. According to Moore's law, any new hardware should be at least 4x as fast as my old machine so I have no choice to believe that it's the OS dragging it down.
   
   Well, at least they did a reasonably good job stealing functionality from the OSX dock. They get points for that.

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1. tonewheel

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   11/05, 07:59pm | report spam | close reply

   Boogaloo?

   So, did Ballmer skip and jump and shout and dance around the stage during his announcement.

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1. fubar_this

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   11/06, 04:27am | report spam | close reply

   @Hmm

   Trojans are user errors. Any operating system can become infected with trojans, and Mac OS X has had a couple too. I don't think it's fair to fault Win7 for not having built-in trojan protection software, since that's like saying it should built in idiot protection. Apple has no real antivirus built in either (I don't count their Snow Leopard antivirus since it doesn't update anything in real time, has no heuristics, etc.).
   
   It's yet to be seen if Win7 will need worm/virus protection though.
   

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1. DeezNutts

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   11/06, 09:36am | report spam | close reply

   Re: Another rounding error

   Maybe you'd care to list what a modern underlying architecture should provide that the NT kernel does not provide in Windows 7?
   
   Your statement is dog c***. It would be like me claiming that OS X is just a skin over a 30 year old operating system with some features from NeXT thrown in.

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1. tsmelker

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   11/06, 09:39am | report spam | close reply

   Numbers Breakdown

   The "higher sales numbers" Ballhead is touting likely come from PC manufacturers themselves, who are so happy that there's a better product than 'Vista' that they're snapping up Win7 like crazy. After all, they figure, people are going to have to buy a new PC for this OS anyway; why not give them one with Win7 pre-installed?
   
   Ballmer is an idiot- his 'predictions' are always going to favor MS' products, even when they miserably backfire (like always).
   
   As for you, Testicludo- if everyone dumped their PCs and bought Macs, you'd be out of a job. And we'll all certainly feel superior about that.

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1. tsmelker

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   11/06, 09:45am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Kudos to you, luckyday...

   that you have so much time on your hands that you can spend time posting flaming comments about a product you've likely never used on a forum that isn't meant for you anyway.

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1. DeezNutts

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   11/06, 09:50am | report spam | close reply

   Re

   
   Since when did mac users start believing IT security firms? If they told you that you needed anti-virus software for your mac you would call them idiots and claim they were just trying to drum up business. Of course when they make a statement about Windows 7 the claim is taken at full face value.
   
   YOU ARE A F'ING TOOL
   
   Antivirus software can be found for free all over the place, h*** even Microsoft provides a free product now.
   
   I have a mac and a PC. What is this all out love of iLife? Its OK and that is about all I can say about most of the 'included' software with any OS (well ok technically its not 'included with the os' but most people get it with their mac.
   
   You can download the Windows Live applications and have close to the same functionality. Or just like on a Mac, you can download software from other sources and find one that fits your needs.
   
   If you are incapable of using your brain or absolutely need something that MS Office provides then yes you HAVE to buy it. Otherwise you have tons of different options.

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1. phillymjs

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   11/06, 10:27am | report spam | close reply

   Windows 7 is okay

   What annoys me is that it's nothing more than what Vista should have been in the first place-- but since the Vista name is the kiss of death, they're claiming it's an entirely new version.
   
   (Opens Vista command prompt)
   C:>ver
   Windows 6.0
   
   (Opens Windows 7 command prompt)
   C:>ver
   Windows 6.1
   
   That's not what the commands return verbatim, but the point is made-- Who's "paying for service packs" now?

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1. Mr. Strat

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   11/06, 10:31am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Windows Live Garageband?

   The Windows Live stuff is c***. There's no comparison between Windows Live and iLife. Jeez...Windows people are so retarded.

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1. testudo

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   11/06, 11:38am | report spam | close reply

   Re: @Hmmm

   According to a recent report from an IT security firm, 80% of the viruses/trojans/worms/malware that infected Vista back to Windows II still--STILL--infects Windows 7! For the love of Pete!
   
   And did you even read the report? This is how they did their statistical analysis:
   
   - Install clean Windows 7.
   - Take the 10 latest items "viruses" sent to them (actually these were not viruses but malware). Most of these were trojans, by the way.
   - Note that 8 work. Well, 8 work if you turn off UAC. 7 worked with UAC on.
   - Report that 80% of all windows viruses still affect Windows 7.
   
   And all this came from........a blog from someone at Sophos! That's right. The same ones you decry when they announce another 'OS X exploit' as being alarmist and misleading and trying to pump sales. But, no, we all believe them, and just by reading a headline!
   
   How much extra money must users pay per year/month/decade for ADDITIONAL virus protection before they can feel secure within that environment?
   
   None. There's too many that are free. Just like people will say there's free av tools for the Mac (like ClamAV).
   
   Is this too much to ask from Mr. Ballmer, et al? And where's the [free/built-in] iLife suite for Win7? Must I BUY "Office" to be even remotely as productive on a PC?
   
   I'm sorry, but how does iLife make you productive? I guess all your productivity is spent making home videos, sorting your pictures, and playing around learning the guitar, because that's all that iLife gives you.
   
   And if someone told you they were getting Office for the Mac, you'd probably tell them to get OpenOffice instead. Um, can't they get that for Windows, too?
   

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1. testudo

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   11/06, 11:48am | report spam | close reply

   Re: Windows 7 is okay

   
   What annoys me is that it's nothing more than what Vista should have been in the first place-- but since the Vista name is the kiss of death, they're claiming it's an entirely new version.
   
   (Opens Vista command prompt)
   C:>ver
   Windows 6.0
   
   (Opens Windows 7 command prompt)
   C:>ver
   Windows 6.1
   
   That's not what the commands return verbatim, but the point is made-- Who's "paying for service packs" now?
   
   
   So you're whole belief on this being just a SP is that the version number of the kernel isn't 7.0? Do you understand what it takes to change a version number of something like that? Less than a day. So, let's say they spent a day and changed the ver command so it came back with Windows 7.0, would you be saying that "Oh, it really is a new version!" then? No. You'd be saying they just changed the version number but it didn't warrant a full version change.
   
   The whining and angst those goes into version numbers is just ridiculous. People have been talking about this for over a year, and still won't give it up. It's like the idiots that bitched about paying 'full price' for Tiger or Leopard, because it was just a point upgrade. "Oh, I wouldn't mind spending $130 for 11.0, but it's just 10.4! WTF!"
   
   And if you didn't notice, Linux kernels go through massive changes that barely register as a dot release. They just got to 2.6.31, 6 years after going to 2.6. Are you going to claim there's been no real changes to that in those intervening years?
   
   By the way, if you go into terminal on OS X, does it come back and tell you you're running v10.6 of the underlying OS?

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1. tsmelker

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   11/06, 12:51pm | report spam | close reply

   Testicludo, you're hilarious...

   ...you're every bit the Windows fanboy that you deride the Mac fanatics here for being! You don't even realise how ridiculous you sound when you go off on them. 'Windows is better, it's cheaper, it does more, you can get a PC cheaper than a Mac, blah, blah blah.' Heard it all before, for about 20 years now- and yet Apple refuses to go away and die. You just don't get it.
   
   It's as the old saying goes: "Apple innovates. Microsoft imitates." Microsoft's answer to producing an inferior product to the Mac is to rip on everything Apple produces- and then try and come out with something that's comparable by copying Apple's products. Apple produces the Mac, then MS comes out with Windows. Apple produces Mac OS X, and MS is still trying to emulate it with XP and everything thereafter. Apple produces iMovie, then MS comes out with Windows Movie Maker. Apple produces the iPod, then MS comes out with the Zune. Apple cmes up with the iTunes Music Store, then MS copies it with the Zune Marketplace. Apple achieves great success with the Apple Store (the brick & mortar variety), then Microsoft comes out with the Microsoft Store. Yawn. Same old story. NEXT!