So, did Ballmer skip and jump and shout and dance around the stage during his announcement.

Trojans are user errors. Any operating system can become infected with trojans, and Mac OS X has had a couple too. I don't think it's fair to fault Win7 for not having built-in trojan protection software, since that's like saying it should built in idiot protection. Apple has no real antivirus built in either (I don't count their Snow Leopard antivirus since it doesn't update anything in real time, has no heuristics, etc.).

It's yet to be seen if Win7 will need worm/virus protection though.

Maybe you'd care to list what a modern underlying architecture should provide that the NT kernel does not provide in Windows 7?

Your statement is dog c***. It would be like me claiming that OS X is just a skin over a 30 year old operating system with some features from NeXT thrown in.

The "higher sales numbers" Ballhead is touting likely come from PC manufacturers themselves, who are so happy that there's a better product than 'Vista' that they're snapping up Win7 like crazy. After all, they figure, people are going to have to buy a new PC for this OS anyway; why not give them one with Win7 pre-installed?

Ballmer is an idiot- his 'predictions' are always going to favor MS' products, even when they miserably backfire (like always).

As for you, Testicludo- if everyone dumped their PCs and bought Macs, you'd be out of a job. And we'll all certainly feel superior about that.

that you have so much time on your hands that you can spend time posting flaming comments about a product you've likely never used on a forum that isn't meant for you anyway.

Since when did mac users start believing IT security firms? If they told you that you needed anti-virus software for your mac you would call them idiots and claim they were just trying to drum up business. Of course when they make a statement about Windows 7 the claim is taken at full face value.

YOU ARE A F'ING TOOL

Antivirus software can be found for free all over the place, h*** even Microsoft provides a free product now.

I have a mac and a PC. What is this all out love of iLife? Its OK and that is about all I can say about most of the 'included' software with any OS (well ok technically its not 'included with the os' but most people get it with their mac.

You can download the Windows Live applications and have close to the same functionality. Or just like on a Mac, you can download software from other sources and find one that fits your needs.

If you are incapable of using your brain or absolutely need something that MS Office provides then yes you HAVE to buy it. Otherwise you have tons of different options.

What annoys me is that it's nothing more than what Vista should have been in the first place-- but since the Vista name is the kiss of death, they're claiming it's an entirely new version.

(Opens Vista command prompt)
C:>ver
Windows 6.0

(Opens Windows 7 command prompt)
C:>ver
Windows 6.1

That's not what the commands return verbatim, but the point is made-- Who's "paying for service packs" now?

The Windows Live stuff is c***. There's no comparison between Windows Live and iLife. Jeez...Windows people are so retarded.

According to a recent report from an IT security firm, 80% of the viruses/trojans/worms/malware that infected Vista back to Windows II still--STILL--infects Windows 7! For the love of Pete!

And did you even read the report? This is how they did their statistical analysis:

- Install clean Windows 7.
- Take the 10 latest items "viruses" sent to them (actually these were not viruses but malware). Most of these were trojans, by the way.
- Note that 8 work. Well, 8 work if you turn off UAC. 7 worked with UAC on.
- Report that 80% of all windows viruses still affect Windows 7.

And all this came from........a blog from someone at Sophos! That's right. The same ones you decry when they announce another 'OS X exploit' as being alarmist and misleading and trying to pump sales. But, no, we all believe them, and just by reading a headline!

How much extra money must users pay per year/month/decade for ADDITIONAL virus protection before they can feel secure within that environment?

None. There's too many that are free. Just like people will say there's free av tools for the Mac (like ClamAV).

Is this too much to ask from Mr. Ballmer, et al? And where's the [free/built-in] iLife suite for Win7? Must I BUY "Office" to be even remotely as productive on a PC?

I'm sorry, but how does iLife make you productive? I guess all your productivity is spent making home videos, sorting your pictures, and playing around learning the guitar, because that's all that iLife gives you.

And if someone told you they were getting Office for the Mac, you'd probably tell them to get OpenOffice instead. Um, can't they get that for Windows, too?

What annoys me is that it's nothing more than what Vista should have been in the first place-- but since the Vista name is the kiss of death, they're claiming it's an entirely new version.

(Opens Vista command prompt)
C:>ver
Windows 6.0

(Opens Windows 7 command prompt)
C:>ver
Windows 6.1

That's not what the commands return verbatim, but the point is made-- Who's "paying for service packs" now?


So you're whole belief on this being just a SP is that the version number of the kernel isn't 7.0? Do you understand what it takes to change a version number of something like that? Less than a day. So, let's say they spent a day and changed the ver command so it came back with Windows 7.0, would you be saying that "Oh, it really is a new version!" then? No. You'd be saying they just changed the version number but it didn't warrant a full version change.

The whining and angst those goes into version numbers is just ridiculous. People have been talking about this for over a year, and still won't give it up. It's like the idiots that bitched about paying 'full price' for Tiger or Leopard, because it was just a point upgrade. "Oh, I wouldn't mind spending $130 for 11.0, but it's just 10.4! WTF!"

And if you didn't notice, Linux kernels go through massive changes that barely register as a dot release. They just got to 2.6.31, 6 years after going to 2.6. Are you going to claim there's been no real changes to that in those intervening years?

By the way, if you go into terminal on OS X, does it come back and tell you you're running v10.6 of the underlying OS?

...you're every bit the Windows fanboy that you deride the Mac fanatics here for being! You don't even realise how ridiculous you sound when you go off on them. 'Windows is better, it's cheaper, it does more, you can get a PC cheaper than a Mac, blah, blah blah.' Heard it all before, for about 20 years now- and yet Apple refuses to go away and die. You just don't get it.

It's as the old saying goes: "Apple innovates. Microsoft imitates." Microsoft's answer to producing an inferior product to the Mac is to rip on everything Apple produces- and then try and come out with something that's comparable by copying Apple's products. Apple produces the Mac, then MS comes out with Windows. Apple produces Mac OS X, and MS is still trying to emulate it with XP and everything thereafter. Apple produces iMovie, then MS comes out with Windows Movie Maker. Apple produces the iPod, then MS comes out with the Zune. Apple cmes up with the iTunes Music Store, then MS copies it with the Zune Marketplace. Apple achieves great success with the Apple Store (the brick & mortar variety), then Microsoft comes out with the Microsoft Store. Yawn. Same old story. NEXT!