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1. facebook_Doug

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   04/01, 02:05pm | report spam | close reply

   no links?

   Interesting that the page has no links to the sites it's advertising. That's a bit of an oversight...

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1. seventn

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   04/01, 02:07pm | report spam | (3 replies) close | reply

   Flash is not only used for video!!!!!!!

   I am a big fan of Apple and have been for years but this issue is making think they are morons. Flash is being used for a lot more than just video. Yes I admit some use to much of it but there are some interactive things that are very useful and Flash is a good, fast easy way to deliver this.
   
   Don't you believe for a second that Apple is refusing to support Flash because it is buggy. They simply don't want people to make Flash apps that they won't be able to control thru Itunes.
   
   Apple you are being control freak morons.

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1. iphonerulez

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   04/01, 02:14pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   We know Flash isn't going away tomorrow...

   but what is so wrong about getting alternatives ready? The more mobile devices that Apple sells the faster changes are going to take place to find a substitute for Flash. Advertisers need those Apple mobile users for revenue and will do whatever it takes to get them. Doesn't this aid even other mobile platforms as well so they don't need to use Flash? Besides making money for Flash developers, what is so important about Flash? It's the content that's important, not the delivery medium. Let Flash stay on the desktop if it's needed that badly, but give mobile users something that doesn't eat up batteries.
   
   Besides, how well do heavy Flash-coded sites even support multitouch interfaces? HTML5 is more complicated to develop with, OK, but it can be used in most cases, right?

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1. infobhan

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   04/01, 02:29pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Is this really a taunt?

   I don't see this as Apple "taunting" Adobe. It's simply showing that these sites are compatible.

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1. Sondjata

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   04/01, 02:53pm | report spam | close reply

   Great

   Cause those huge drop down, slide over and pop up flash adverts can go away.

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1. bjojade

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   04/01, 03:06pm | report spam | (2 replies) close | reply

   Can I eliminate flash?

   On Safari? Hardly a day goes by that I don't get a 2 minute pause in Safari followed by a note that Safari has crashed on me. It's flat out annoying.

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1. qazwart

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   Why Apple Hates Flash

   It's really very simple: It's not about Apple being control freaks. It is about Apple making sure they're not dependent upon another company in order to sell its products.
   
   Imagine a world where Flash was so ubiquitous, that you couldn't surf anywhere. No HTML coding: Every website was a Flash application.
   
   Apple comes out with a neat new product and now has to wait for Adobe to program a Flash client for that product. What if Adobe doesn't think its worth their effort? Would that mean that Apple couldn't sell its latest device. What if Adobe did program a client, but put fewer resources towards that Apple client? Apple could end up with a buggy version of Flash while its competitors have a sleeker, faster version with more features.
   
   It's why Apple worked so closely with Google for so long on HTML5. It's why Apple put so many resources into it's WebKit browser engine which is used by almost all mobile browsers no matter what platform. Apple wants to sell you the next play pretty product. It doesn't want Adobe's permission to do so.
   
   And how is the state of Flash? Well, despite the iPhone being out for three years without a Flash plugin, there is still no Flash 10.1 mobile client for ANY platform. You'd think when the iPhone came out without Flash, Adobe would be putting all of its efforts to get Flash working with Android, Symbian, WebOS, and RIM just to prove Flash is relevant on the mobile platform.
   
   Even in the desktop environment, Adobe Flash is incapable of playing in 64 bit mode. If you have a 64 bit OS, you're in trouble. Windows runs IE in 32 bit mode. Apple created a new plugin structure for Safari, so Safari could run in 64 bit mode while running Flash in 32 bit mode.
   
   Apple's hope is that by the time Flash 10.1 for mobile platforms comes out, or when Google's Chrome OS comes out, Flash will be irrelevant. There might be a few websites that use Flash, but it won't affect a consumer's decision which product to buy. Apple is doing this by using the power of its mobile market share. You want iPhone and iPad users? You've got to get rid of your Flash.

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1. hayesk

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   04/01, 03:16pm | report spam | close reply

   This is not taunting

   Is Apple also taunting Microsoft because these sites don't run on Silverlight either?
   
   Nowhere does Apple mention Flash or Adobe. This is not a taunt, there are no overt jabs. "Electronista Staff" seem to have completely misinterpreted the point of Apple putting up this page. It's to sell more iPhones, not to have a childish war with Adobe. Adobe was not even a consideration when putting this page up.

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1. PRoth

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   04/01, 03:37pm | report spam | close reply

   HAHAHA

   We don't just report the news... we put words into the mouths of our stories... I think you know what you think I'm saying...
   
   Best headline of the day.

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1. sirron

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   04/01, 04:16pm | report spam | close reply

   My Safari doesn't crash

   It's free, download it here: http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/

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1. sirron

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   My Safari doesn't crash

   It's free, download it here: http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/

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1. cmoney

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   04/01, 04:39pm | report spam | close reply

   iPad only works with 12 sites?

   From Apple's description, it almost reads like the iPad only works with 12 sites. Especially for someone not familiar with the whole Flash issue, they don't seem to make it clear that that's what they're talking about.

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1. Hamranhansenhansen

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   04/01, 05:58pm | report spam | close reply

   HTML5 not more complicated to implement than Flash

   > HTML5 is normally more complicated to implement than Flash,
   
   No, it's not. By any measure you care to use, Flash is much more complicated.
   
   In a basic implementation, HTML5 video can be done with an H.264 movie file and 2 lines of HTML code: a video tag with fallback content inside, such as an image with a hyperlink to the movie file, so that users of older browsers click the image to open the movie in a helper app instead of inline. You can use any tools you want, even free tools. You only need knowledge of HTML and no scripting languages. It's basically the same as putting an image in a page.
   
   A basic implementation of Flash requires the same H.264 movie file plus 3 lines of HTML -- an embed tag and an object tag and fallback content such as an image with a hyperlink to the movie inside that -- *and* it also requires a Flash application. You have to have a $599 Adobe tool for that, and you have to know how to use Flash, and you have to actually do the steps in Flash to build the Flash app.
   
   So, in a basic implementation, Flash is more complicated.
   
   In a sophisticated implementation, HTML5 video may be done with a movie file and a few lines of HTML, 100 lines of JavaScript, and 20 lines of CSS. A sophisticated Flash implementation requires that much HTML, JavaScript, and CSS code as well, but again it also requires a Flash application, which in a sophisticated implementation contains 100-1000 lines of code written in Flash, then compiled, debugged, tested, and deployed.
   
   So in a sophisticated implementation, Flash is again more complicated.
   
   Further, HTML5 video is actually part of the page. You can control it with standard DOM programming techniques similar to what you use to make rollover images. It's very simple to create a button bar that moves the playhead to certain parts of the current movie, or swaps the current movie out for another one, using the same techniques you'd use to make a slideshow of photos. With Flash, the video is running in a separate application. Communication between the Web page and the Flash app is limited and complicated. That's why Flash video is usually just a hole cut in the page, it doesn't seem to be a part of the page because it's not.
   
   Also, the HTML5 implementation plays on all the smartphones and on iPods and iPads. At this time (March 2010) there is no FlashPlayer for mobiles (not just iPhone), not because Steve Jobs doesn't like it but because *Adobe didn't build it yet*, a full 3 years after the Web moved onto mobiles. So your Flash implementation needs a separate HTML5 version in order to be viewed on mobiles. Now the Flash publisher has separate desktop (Flash) and mobile (HTML5) versions, which is really complicated.
   
   Switching from a Flash implementation to pure HTML is not even that complicated because you use the same ISO standard, vendor neutral, universal consumer video H.264 movie file in both contexts.
   
   The only way you could get the idea that Flash is less complicated is if you just totally ignore the Flash development. That is not a fair comparison. Flash development is complicated by nature.
   
   
   

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1. facebook_Matthew

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   04/01, 07:27pm | report spam | close reply

   Part of the Internet

   When you have to make a list of parts of the website that is friendly a specific device, no matter how big that list is, it means that a certain number of websites fall outside of that list. Which means there will still be frustration when surfing the web and hitting sites outside of that list and seeing that big blue lego icon for the missing plugin.
   
   I think it's more a shot not at Adobe, but at HP's Slate and the Android based tablets that have been advertising how they have access to the full internet.

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1. facebook_John

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   04/03, 03:22am | report spam | close reply

   nice

   i remember thinking ipad gonna fail cause people need flash, it's everywhere
   and then apple does it again, gets people to use html5, and makes it seem like it should have been done
   which is a good thing, didn't see that coming

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1. chirpy22

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   04/03, 10:00pm | report spam | close reply

   Adobe stuff

   You know what is interesting? Some have said things like "Imagine a world where Flash was so ubiquitous, that you couldn't surf anywhere. No HTML coding: Every website was a Flash application." Also how bad Flash is and it should be banned, I'm glad Apple isn't supporting it, etc.
   Well, first of all, Adobe didn't create the technology. However, they DID create Postscript and Acrobat PDF technology. You can't print to hardly any laser printer today without using Postscript. It is incredibly hard to go a even a day or two browsing the web without coming across one PDF document. Apple has embraced both of those technologies. They even built them into Mac OS X.
   But now you know what I see when I visit Apple's forums? I see threads where people are complaining that the iPad can't print to network printers. I don't see them saying, "Well, it's ok, Apple has decided that it's not important for me to print, so I guess I don't have to." Despite how the iPad does in sales, I think as a product it is not very good. But it will be. Like any first version, there are kinks to work out.
   It needs:
   1. Printing capabilty
   2. a camera for video conferencing
   3. Flash support (as well as all web plugin support) plugins are an essential part of browsing the internet. 3d plugins, vrml, etc
   4. a way to actually use it as a drawing tablet for your desktop Mac

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1. Fast iBook

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   04/07, 09:16pm | report spam | close reply

   Here in a moment......

   Gone in a flash. I really want flash to go away for ads and most other online stuff. How about java, or is java too efficient?
   
   - A