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1. DanielSw

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   06/09, 05:31pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   This is tacit recognition of iPhone 4's impact on

   Why bother arguing tech specs when what's obviously more important is how well the iPhone sells?

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1. MyRightEye

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   06/09, 05:37pm | report spam | close reply

   Thanks

   For getting the Reader function working on this site!

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1. LenE

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   06/09, 05:42pm | report spam | close reply

   AMOLED is over-hyped

   You can't use them outside, let alone direct sunlight, and as mentioned, they are difficult and expensive to produce. Someday, they may be the best option, but until they solve these two problems, they will be relegated to interesting also-ran status.
   
   Until there is a a mass-produced panel that matches the iPhone 4 resolution, with sunlight readability, then the AMOLED manufacturers have no room to talk.
   
   -- Len

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1. solefald

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   06/09, 06:07pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   samsung can jab at iphone at they want,

   because at the end of the day consumers chose what they like better - an iPhone.

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1. stefbystef

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   06/09, 06:12pm | report spam | close reply

   If you ask me

   I am satisfied with the battery life of my 3GS. I have to charge it every night, but I never used a mobile phone so often and in so many different ways. Eventually, battery life will increase. I had problems with my old Sony Erricson having to charge the battery every day, and I rarely used it, but I had to accept it as it was "normal" a few years ago. Eventually solar power will slowly show up as a power source. Pixel density will get denser. Things are going to change and so will topics on discussion forums. I am looking forward to the future of things and I am happy with what I have now.

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1. Makosuke

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   06/09, 06:17pm | report spam | close reply

   Still half true

   I haven't done a side-by-side comparison of an AMOLED screen and an LCD one in direct sunlight, but while AMOLEDs have improved, most reviews still say that they fare poorly. This would, I'd guess, be true of pretty much any emissive technology like AMOLED.
   
   There's also the fact that while AMOLEDs have great brightness and viewing angle, they tend to be oversaturated and from a pure color fidelity standpoint are inferior to IPS panels, at least in the limited comparisons I've seen.
   
   Not saying that the technology isn't good, and that it doesn't have a place, I'm just skeptical that it's anywhere near that cut-and-dried.
   
   On phones with more creative AMOLED sub-pixel geometry the text clarity is also reduced, although pictures look great.

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1. chas_m

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   06/09, 06:28pm | report spam | close reply

   You know ...

   Steve didn't actually trash or otherwise say ANYTHING bad about AMOLEDs ... just that they weren't quite ready yet, at least for the iPhone 4.
   
   He was probably referring (as he usually does) to the overall experience, but he might also have been talking about the added cost, the shortage of supply or the other issues mentioned above. He certainly didn't rule out using AMOLED in future products as (and if) the technology matures.
   
   Why these other companies feel the need to try and disparage Jobs' completely-true-and-accurate remarks I will leave as an exercise for the viewer.

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1. bonaccij

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   06/09, 06:43pm | report spam | close reply

   Defensive much?

   Wow Sammy, calm down! Nobody's trashing your tech! But, you know, the proof is in the pudding! What difference do ANY of these specs make if people PERCEIVE (and that really is the key here) that Apple has the better display?
   
   Hmmm.....

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1. ilovestevejobs

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   06/09, 07:04pm | report spam | (2 replies) close | reply

   re: LenE

   I';m pretty sure you also can't use the iphone in direct sunlight.
   
   And dumb arse how would you know what the new iphone 4 screen looks like and whether it can be used in direct sunlight? Grow a brain and stop talking s*** until you've experienced it yourself.
   
   Until then AMOLED is still king in display

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1. grenstne

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   06/09, 07:18pm | report spam | close reply

   Some Partner

   If I remember correctly, Samsung manufactures the A4 chip for Apple. With such an important part, you would think Samsung would be more circumspect in what they say about the product.

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1. nat

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   06/09, 07:23pm | report spam | close reply

   hey igiveblowjobs

   quick question, have you ever thought of taking that c&#k out of your mouth before spouting forth? cause, ya know, with it in there you always sound stupid.
   
   just an observation pumpkin.

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1. ilovestevejobs

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   06/09, 07:27pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Re: grenstne

   Why should big companies like Samsung bow to a lowly lying sack of s*** like steve blow jobs? He doesn't give a s*** about others. Only his self interest.

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1. Zanziboy

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   06/09, 07:35pm | report spam | close reply

   AMOLED is Rubbish!

   AMOLED displays are the worst in EVERY category except power consumption. if you are interested in funding Samsung's research, then buy one of their displays. if you want something that lasts for a long time, can render millions of colours, and works well as an e-books platform, then look at LED backlit LCD! The hype on OLED and AMOLED is smoke. the technology is in it's infancy and every OLED product under-performs it's LCD counterpart!

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1. LenE

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   re: ilovestevejobs

   I use my iPhone in direct sunlight. My twin sister works for Verizon Wireless, and you can't see anything on her Droid's screen when you are outside.
   
   I wouldn't say that there is any hope of color accuracy on the screen in direct sunlight, but at least the iPhone lets you see something, while the AMOLED panels don't. Their contrast edge vanishes into a hole of blackness.
   
   AMOLED is only great in your mom's basement where you obviously are using your android phone to view p*** and feel all righteous for using something "free" and "open". You ignore the fact that Google is just using android to w**** out information about you. For those of us that live and work in the real world, the iPhone, and likely the iPhone 4 will be superior for some time to come.
   
   -- Len
   

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1. Paul Huang

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   06/09, 09:03pm | report spam | close reply

   Kimchee overdose

   Sorry.

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1. ilovestevejobs

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   Re: LenE

   The iphone is a piss poor excuse of a phone. Going off TP can someone please explain why the ipad and iphone can't tether? eg: ipad wifi using iphone as a modem. Apple are designed to 'just work'. Maybe they should have an asterisk saying something like "Unless it might make a partner company angry"
   
   Apple sucks and steve b****** suck - HARD

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1. mellrince

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   06/09, 11:28pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   not defense...just can't stand those bs..

   Any display expert would know that OLED is way more superior than LCD. Jobs was comparing the array process of OLED which mostly using LTPS today and Retina+FFS tech.. Some points were completely wrong and Jobs definitely knows about it...He said these is just because he's selling iPhone4...He needs to do some marketing..One day when next generation comes out, he'll just kick Retina away and said like this" We decide to upgrade to AMOLED display on new iPhone based on our deliberate evaluation and OLED's superior spec.

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1. facebook_Ed

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   06/10, 12:26am | report spam | close reply

   Apple's display is made by LG

   I did a little digging and it looks like Apple's display is mostly made by LG Display, a domestic Korean competitor to Samsung. I thought that was interesting.

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1. nat

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   06/10, 06:56am | report spam | close reply

   oh dear

   now, igiveblowjobs, it appears that yours is not a very clear mind. your arguments are lame and when you don't get what you want you act like the 12 year old boy that we all know you to be.
   tantrums will not win you any arguments dear boy. if you have a point to try to make (that doesn't include some kind of felatio) you might want to give that a try.
   
   ok pumpkin?

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1. Fast iBook

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   06/10, 08:39am | report spam | close reply

   Lifespan....

   LED backlit LCD will have a few years longer of a lifespan than AMOLED as well. 30% more battery drain compared to AMOLED, i dunno bout this, there's a thing called brightness level control. I usually keep mine all the way down or at about 10-20%, it makes a huge difference in battery life even with the older LCD/CCD tech.
   
   - A

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1. iphonerulez

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   The Galaxy S is rumored to be running the same

   A4 chip as the iPad and iPhone. At least that's what the x-rays say.
   
   Specs are nice when it comes to reading a list on a box or in an ad, but it really does come down to users perception of quality. A smart consumer should test both products to make a decision. I'd probably settle for less resolution to get better battery life if it was merely a matter of weighing one feature, but overall I'd still have to go with the iPhone's ecosystem and customer support rather than just hardware specs. I know every time that Steve goes up on stage he is going to talk his product into being the world's finest. That's his job and he's good at it. Many call it deception, but that's really how to sell products. No car salesman is going to admit another company's car is better. They bring out the best points and skim over the weak ones.
   
   In the end, the iPhone is going to outsell and make more profit for Apple than the Galaxy S even if certain specs were marginally better. I think that the Galaxy offers some fine points. That Swype tech seems very cool if it works. When released in Korea, I think the Galaxy S will have a very good chance of having high use of video chat since the Koreans like using that sort of stuff.
   
   If the price is reasonable, I expect the Galaxy S to be a very high-selling Android smartphone. The iPhone is in a class of its own because of that Apple logo which certainly adds value to the iPhone.

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1. eddd

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   3-5% difference?

   MacWorld posted a side-by-side comparison of the 3GS screen vs. the Retina screen, and the difference was striking - far greater than 3-5%. Samsung might be comparing the Retina screen to their OLED screen (instead of the 3GS screen), but in that case the outdoor performance clearly makes the Retina screen a better option.
   
   On another note, I can't wait for a similar approach to desktop displays. Although 300+ resolution is overkill, an resolution that essentially shows no pixelation at all would be very welcome. Video cards can handle it, new specs like DisplayPort can handle it, manufacturers can handle it... the major stumbling block is the operating system, and it's lack of resolution independence.