Analyst claims 2nd US iPhone carrier close, may be T-Mobile

updated 08:20 am EDT, Thu June 10, 2010

Kaufman Bros hears leaks of new carrier


Kaufman Bros. analyst Shaw Wu today backed increasing talk of a second iPhone carrier in the US through industry sources. They echo earlier rumors and have the second carrier ready as soon as this fall or else in early 2011. The tipsters claim Apple is now keen to add carriers primarily to undermine Android; as Google's OS has grown mostly where Apple wasn't, iPhones on those networks could stunt Android's progress.

Wu acknowledged the rapidly increasing belief that the iPhone would reach Verizon, but he insisted that T-Mobile was more likely. Apple already supports one of the two necessary 3G frequencies, the 2,100MHz band, and wouldn't need a complete architecture change as a result. Sources allegedly aware of T-Mobile's opinions said it wants the iPhone as a way of stemming its ongoing lost customers, making it more likely to accept Apple's terms verbatim where Verizon might still try to argue.

Such a jump would nonetheless contradict multiple detailed rumors of a CDMA iPhone nearing production and also doesn't fully address T-Mobile's needs. Without the 1,700MHz band, the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS alike would risk losing 3G in those areas that don't necessarily have 2,100MHz support. At 34 million customers, T-Mobile is also the smallest of the major national carriers where Verizon has roughly 93 million, providing Apple with a much larger target. Verizon has largely taken over from T-Mobile as the premier Android carrier in the US and would be a more significant target in the US, as would Sprint's 47 million subscribers that could similarly be addressed by a CDMA iPhone.

Regardless of the carrier pick, Apple is predicted to benefit significantly from any second US carrier, as its total addressable market could jump at least 40 percent higher from AT&T alone to as much as 107 percent if it gets Verizon.


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  1. Mr. Strat

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    I'd go for that

    Four more months left on my TMO contract...I'll go for an iPhone...just don't want the crappy AT&T that currently goes with it.


  1. Inkling

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    Unlocking iPhones

    Going T-Mobile would be a very good move on Apple's part, particularly if both parties would agree to show flexibility. T-Mobile coverage may come up lacking in rural areas, but it's quite good in large cities such as Seattle where I live. They also have some highly competitive rates and plans. I know people who're quite happy on T-Mobile with iPhones despite the added hassles of unauthorized unlocking.

    As a half-way step, Apple could do what they should have done long ago--unlock all iPhones whose contract times have expired. AT&T has paid its fair share of those iPhone's cost and has no right to hold those iPhone owners hostage.

    Apple would benefit from the move in several ways. First, it'd be a quick way to give AT&T some much-needed competition. The unlocking could be done in a few days and the resulting move of customers away from AT&T would send a powerful message. And that move would be greatest in major cities where T-Mobile's coverage is the best and AT&T's coverage is the poorest.

    Second, it'd be a quick and simple way to bring people who don't want or can't afford the combo iPhone + AT&T plan into the Apple camp. They'd buy a legitimately unlocked iPhone secondhand and sign up with T-Mobile. Apple would not get money directly, but they'd gain all-important market share at the expense of Google/Android. Market share now will mean future sales as that secondhand iPhone ages.

    Third, Apple would sell more of the new generation of iPhones in certain situations. Why? Because there are a lot of people who'd get a new iPhone if they knew a way to make good use of their old iPhone. Imagine parents whose teen-or-college-aged child has been hassling them to pass own their old but still cool iPhone. Those parents might hesitate if the costs of passing on includes AT&T's pricey iPhone plan. But they'd be delighted to do so if it means that old iPhone shifts to a much cheaper T-Mobile plan.

    In exchange, T-Mobile should offer attractive data plans for these unlocked iPhones. Since they can't compete in data speed or nationwide coverage, they should compete with price and flexibility. There's an untapped market of people who need something more than WiFi but don't need a monthly plan that includes 200 megs of data or more. I'm in that camp. I'd be delighted to have a plan that'd let me occasionally check live bus routing data or send email on the go. For that, a $20/month data plan makes no sense, but I'd happily pay more per byte if I could be charged only for actual usage, with that cost either added to a monthly flat-rate voice bill or subtracted from a pre-pay plan. It'd be a win/win situation for both. T-Mobile would get more income; people would get a data service they actually want.

    In short, the quickest and easiest thing Apple could do to enhance their competitive advantage over Google is to unlock all those out-of-contract iPhones.


  1. jamck1977

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    @ Inkling

    I like the way you think. I'm in the same boat - since November of 2007, I have been unlocking my iPhone to enjoy T-mobile's great rates. In October of 2008, I signed up for T-zones - $5.99 for Edge connection. It isn't fast, but it's cheap, and I use it when I need it (not at all some months but usually between 30 and 40 MB). I paid full price for my phone and think that at some point, it should be 'legal' to use it wherever I want to without having to unlock it. I guess I'm done unlocking it anyway, since iOS 4.0 doesn't apply (I think the app store should have firmware version mini-stores, then if a developer updates their app to a new firmware and I update all my apps on my Mac, then restore my phone (heaven forbid) I would be able to go back and get the app revision that works with iPhone OS 3.0).


  1. qazwart

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    A few words 'o warning

    Your iPhone will work on T-Mobile's EDGE network and T-Mobile's calling network, but won't work on T-Mobile's 3G network. T-Mobile has a their 3G network on the rarely used 17Mhz band. Neither the iPhone nor the iPad will work on that network. The standard GSM chips don't support it. Apple would have to specifically get chips to work on those two networks.

    By the way, T-Mobile is anxious to get its hands on the iPhone and the iPad. But, Apple hasn't shown much interest in the fourth largest U.S. carrier.


  1. Jonathan-Tanya

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    don't expect t-mobile pricing to apply

    more likely scenaorio, t-mobile will accept apple's terms, and pass the cost on the customer.

    T-mo was a fav for a while with unlockers...you could take the original iPhone and use it for t-mobiles edge network...Edge is slow enough, but tmobiels Edge is even slower than AT&T's.

    Despite all that - slow Edge only - they won't allow the iPhone on their web2go plans anymore, and they require a specific dataplan, and one that excludes tethering at that.

    So... don't kid yourself, more likely than not, they will have a special iPhone plan - and it won't be cheap.


  1. charlituna

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    Wu is a joke

    Anyone that spends any length of time watching the rumors knows this. He just writes down all the rumors and spews them back like some great knowledge.

    Of course T-Mobile is more likely. It's in line with Apple's noCDMA stance. The same stance that has prevented a CDMA phone in Asia where the ATT contract doesn't matter. OR even a CDMA or two system ipad. Apple simply doesn't want to make them.

    But what Wu and everyone else forgets is that there are court documents showing a five year deal with ATT and nothing to back up claims that an adjustment is even possible. So that means nada until 2012. At which point all this will likely be moot as LTE should be in place and the phone will likely support that and be unlocked for use on all 3 (and even Sprint if they recant on their Wimax talk)


  1. testudo

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    Re: @ Inkling

    I paid full price for my phone and think that at some point, it should be 'legal' to use it wherever I want to without having to unlock it. I guess I'm done unlocking it anyway, since iOS 4.0 doesn't apply

    It was my understanding that v4.0 would work on the original iPhone, just that multitasking would be disabled.


  1. testudo

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    Re: Unlocking iPhones

    Going T-Mobile would be a very good move on Apple's part, particularly if both parties would agree to show flexibility.

    Both parties? It is Apple who would need to show flexibility. They're the ones with the limitations, rules, etc. (such as "You must get a data plan with an iPhone!")

    As a half-way step, Apple could do what they should have done long ago--unlock all iPhones whose contract times have expired. AT&T has paid its fair share of those iPhone's cost and has no right to hold those iPhone owners hostage.

    There is no reason Apple could not have done this from day one. They just refuse to do it (the same way they just simply refuse to sell unlocked phones). They like the money they get from ATT, who have bent over backward and paid Apple an arm and a leg to keep the iPhone solely theirs.

    Which is why this is just another vague but ultimately unfounded rumor. If the iPhone broke 'free', the up-front costs would go up. And Apple prefers the subsidized low price to get more people an iPhone rather than worrying about what's in the consumer's best interest.


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