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Palm: 'we don't know what the hold-up is' on mobile Flash

updated 09:20 am EDT, Fri June 18, 2010

Palm hints Adobe not close to Flash on webOS

Adobe hasn't given any signs that it's close to porting Flash to webOS, Palm said in an AT&T online app development seminar on Thursday. When asked about the multiple delays, a representative said that Palm didn't 'know what the hold-up is' with getting it ready. Adobe itself hasn't commented on the state of the webOS version or of other platforms.

The absence of updates on the status of Flash for webOS casts some doubt on Adobe's plans. Officially, devices from all platforms should have mobile Flash 10.1 in the second half of the year, but so far the strongest sign of development has been a beta for Android 2.2 that, due to its nature, can only run on the Nexus One. Adobe is slated to speak at Verizon's Droid X introduction and may have a finished version of Flash 10.1 ready for the event, but it's unlikely other platforms will get attention.

Apple's position as one of the few holdouts on mobile Flash was partly explained by its co-founder Steve Jobs as a matter of needing proof through a timely, polished version of Flash for another mobile OS. Early tests have shown it significantly slowing down browsing even on a fast processor and with large amounts of RAM.

For Palm, the update isn't yet critical as it reiterated that it will continue to work on new devices. HP's financial help will involve both new hardware and a major new version of webOS. "You're going to find the next year very exciting," the representative said.



By Electronista Staff
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  1. Eldernorm

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    FLASH is so GREAT.... :-(

    "Adobe hasn't given any signs that it's close to porting Flash to webOS, Palm said in an AT&T online app development seminar on Thursday. When asked about the multiple delays, a representative said that Palm didn't 'know what the hold-up is' with getting it ready. Adobe itself hasn't commented on the state of the webOS version or of other platforms."

    Yes, FLASH should be on all phones.... er..... but its not released.... I guess that will make FLASH an iPhone killer... when..... and if...... it ever ships...

    PS, expect FLASH mobile to only work on the top level of phones and only in the version you get on that phone.... I really do not see updates during the life of the phone you may buy, in the future, that may be able to run flash..

    Just a (maybe) thought.

    en

    Now, some of us are seeing why Steve Jobs is tired of FLASH and its lack of development.

  1. lkrupp

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    Digging...

    Steve Jobs doesn't need to do a damn thing to kill Flash. Adobe is digging its own grave as we speak.

  1. Wingsy

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    Just Wait Till Next Year

    "You're going to find the next year very exciting," the representative said.

    Yes, I'm sure that I will. That's when iPhone 5 comes out.

  1. facebook_Chris

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    Hilarious

    As I was reading, I was remember the whole online debacle between Apple and Adobe online a couple of months, furious rants of Flash-lovers, and the whole re-ignition of the "Why doesn't the iPhone/Other iDevice support Flash?"

    And, here, Adobe *still* only has a *beta* running on *one* phone. Even if the Droid X gets a completed version of Flash that's actually workable, being a 1st-gen port, Flash will almost assuredly wreak havoc on the Droid X's performance, stability, and battery life.

    So, why the h*** won't Apple support Flash on its iDevices? Maybe because Adobe doesn't even have a version that works? Besides, something like Flash support would be rolled up in a major iOS update (i.e. once a year). Seeing as Adobe still doesn't have anything, the absolute earliest Apple could add Flash support, even if they wanted to, would be around this time next year.

  1. dliup

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    reeetard

    The hold up on mobile flash is ADOBE.

    Jeez. Some people are blind. No wonder Palm failed.

  1. Drunken Economist

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    Adobe's a Windows Shop

    Like anyone needs any more proof that Adobe is a Windows shop? Or that Steve Jobs was dead on for disinviting them off the iOS?

    ALL THEY CAN DO IS WINDOWS.

    Not any *nix nor embedded system. How many more FAIL stories do we have to read?

    So what killed Adobe? Offshoring and the mass layoffs of their REAL technical folks.

    Their CEO should step down before Adobe becomes the next Quark.

  1. B9bot

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    Adobe at its best, delaying everyone else!

    Adobe holding up everyone else's products by promising then not delivering. Now you know why Apple doesn't want to deal with it anymore and has moved onto HTML 5. Not to mention flash will suck the battery life right out of your handheld device in no time.

  1. WaltFrench

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    Incompetent or Impossible?

    You look at CPU usage under best-case conditions and Flash burns somewhere around 10% of a desktop's CPU power, plus a never-measured part of its GPU's capability.

    That's a bit more oomph than all but the very fastest smartphones have, in total. The laptop I'm using has 32X the RAM as my early-2009 vintage iPhone, and its nVidia GPU would burn thru the iPhone battery's mAH rating in 5 minutes.

    There's just no way an iPhone prior to this year's could ever hope to run Flash as we know it. Things are a bit better for the Nexus, iPhone4 and roughly similar phones: you might, with a LOT of very clever engineering, get a version of Flash that didn't stutter and stumble too badly, as long as you don't let many other apps chew up CPU or RAM.

    Why Adobe management set itself up for this type of article astonishes me. They deserve a lot more snark than even the most acerbic commenter here has delivered.

  1. facebook_Jeff

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    Jobs vindicated

    Didn't Jobs say specifically that the iPhone (iPad, etc.) would not run Flash because he did not want Apple's future devices & software updates to be held up by delays from Adobe (or ANY third party)? Well, here's a case in point.

    Jobs was RIGHT, and acted in the best interests of his company and its customers. And Adobe, for all its (very) public self-righteous bellyaching, was WRONG. One-hundred-percent WRONG.

    All this should b no surprise whatsoever. But apparently, for some, it is. Write down the names of anyone who was 'shocked' by this, and never, ever, believe anything they say again.

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  1. facebook_Matthew

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    HP is the cause of the delay

    In this article ( http://bit.ly/aYq32h ) Michael Chaize from Adobe said that Adobe AIR for Palm is advanced, but progress has been delayed by the HP buyout. I'm assuming that this is the same reason that Flash Player 10.1 is being delayed.

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