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1. Le Flaneur

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   07/12, 04:33pm | report spam | (2 replies) close | reply

   Jobs is right

   Steve Jobs is absolutely right: these formats will be replaced by streaming. Who even uses their DVD drive anymore?

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1. TujuMaster

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   07/12, 04:45pm | report spam | close reply

   Streaming is the future

   I don't even own a blu-ray player. I download all my iTunes movies to my Mac Mini server and I stream them to Apple TV's throughout my house. Not only is it more convenient, but when you add Netflix and Boxee, who needs to leave the house. I don't see a point anymore to discs so I agree that Blu-ray is a passing fad.

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1. MorituriMax

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   07/12, 04:46pm | report spam | close reply

   Huge Price Difference

   When I can buy blank Blu-Ray disks at a price equivalent to or better than blank DVDs then I will consider BluRay over the regular DVD format.

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1. MorituriMax

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   07/12, 04:48pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Question

   TujuMaster, what do you do when your server crashes and you lose all the stuff you downloaded? Or can you just redownload everything without begging and grovelling to the iTunes store people?
   
   Just curious.

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1. Geoduck

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   07/12, 04:51pm | report spam | close reply

   Same here

   The Blu-Ray/HD-DVD wars delayed the format long enough that it missed it's chance to get a footing. Any more the only time I see someone that's bought a Blu-Ray disk is at the Returns Counter because they wanted a regular DVD and grabbed the wrong one. I almost never buy disks any more, preferring to download. The few I do are older programs for which Blu-Ray would make no difference. (Seriously I just don't see Night Court or Barney Miller looking any better or being any more amusing on a Blu Ray disk).

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1. Geoduck

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   07/12, 04:55pm | report spam | close reply

   Downloads

   @MorituriMax
   If my system were to crash and I lost all my stuff, that's what backups are for.

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1. mortie

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   07/12, 05:14pm | report spam | close reply

   Options

   Steve should at least let us have the option to let users play Blu-ray on our Macs. I love the Blu-ray format, although I'd probably never play the discs on a Mac, even if it was supported. They seem optimized on a dedicated player in a home theater. AppleTV would be killer if it supported Blu-ray discs. Again, options.

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1. iphonerulez

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   07/12, 05:53pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Steve Jobs isn't entitled to his own opinion?

   Anyone can still buy a Blu-ray player and watch videos with that. I don't want anything to do with Blu-ray, but I understand people that do. Better just throw away your Macs if you're not willing to buy an external Blu-ray player and run it under Windows and BootCamp.
   
   I'm still very happy using DVD and don't want to invest in another device. Streaming will do me just fine. I'm more interested in story content than ultra-high video quality. A movie that sucks doesn't get any better because it's Blu-ray quality. Merely my personal preference.

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1. graxspoo

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   07/12, 06:25pm | report spam | close reply

   DVD

   At this point, I still like DVDs better than Blu-ray or streaming.
   You can rip DVDs, and get a digital copy if you wish. You get extras. You have a back-up.
   Up-converting TVs these days make DVDs look almost as good as Blu-ray.
   Streaming has copy protection, no extras and is too expensive.
   However, if I could rip Blu-rays easily, I'd prefer them to DVDs.
   (Another example of the movie industry trying to avoid piracy and shooting themselves in the foot.)
   Bottom line: Do I wish Macs had the option of having Blu-ray drives? Absolutely!

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1. bjojade

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   07/12, 06:29pm | report spam | close reply

   Get download quality up.

   When Apple allows Blu-Ray quality downloads of videos from their store, that's when they can say downloads are a superior solution. As of now, they are kinda crummy in comparison. Yeah, I'd love to be able to have blu-ray, if and only if I was allowed to rip that disc into my computer for playback throughout my house as I can now do with AppleTV.

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1. swissmann

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   07/12, 06:34pm | report spam | close reply

   Options - agreed!

   Some people don't want Blu-Ray. I for one do. I like the things it has to offer that streaming/downloading does not. Quality and not bogging down my internet connection nor my hard drive space. I'd like the option in my Mac without having to rely on bootcamp or a set top box. Please support it in the OS and give us some Built to Order options.

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1. MaxHedrm

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   07/12, 06:34pm | report spam | close reply

   Well...

   They are both right in certain areas. And neither is a surprise. The guy that sells digital copies says streaming will kill media. The group that sells media says it's healthy & not going anywhere.
   
   Where they are both right. Streaming & downloads will replace DVDs. The quality is similar (or perhaps a bit better for downloaded movies) and it is sometimes a bit cheaper.
   
   BluRay is more portable, interoperable and permanent. I can just take the BD over to a friend's to watch it there, rather than having to haul a computer & home they have the right hookups and cables. And the disc will last nearly forever. Though I suppose players are likely to be an issues ... about the same time the DRM protected video file will be.
   
   Where they are wrong. Steve is an idiot to not allow for a Blu-Ray drive just because he thinks they aren't needed. A BD writer would be useful for many reasons. Probably more useful than watching a BD movie on my MBP (though having to buy another copy just to watch it on my computer is silly as well). Blu-Ray won't be around forever, but then neither will iTunes.

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1. Flying Meat

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   07/12, 07:00pm | report spam | close reply

   Having been through

   so many "must have" technological "improvements", I've sorta lost interest in BluRay.
   CDs brought the "superior" digital tunes with the unkept promise of lower album prices.
   
   DVD is great, but... "HD-DVD!!!" Meh.
   
   Digital and High-Def television brought better image quality, 5:1 surround, and... Well. The picture drops out or goes all blocky periodically, and audio seems to drop out at just the moment crucial details are announced. Usually in shows I actually wanted to see.
   
   BluRay is the latest "shiznit" and I'm just not believing anything about it at this point.

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1. gskibum3

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   07/12, 07:15pm | report spam | close reply

   I Love blu-ray

   I've got a home theater and I absolutely love blu-ray over streaming and most DVDs.
   
   Beyond the better video, I also seek out the better audio of blu-ray.
   
   When streaming achieves what blu-ray does with video and multi-channel uncompressed audio, I'll take interest.

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1. jfelbab

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   07/12, 07:54pm | report spam | close reply

   Steve is right

   I own three blu-ray players and have totally stopped buying Blu-ray disks. The future is streaming media. Steve knows it, and many others do as well.
   
   Just like those who said killing the floppy was a mistake, those who claim Blu-ray is going to reign supreme are mistaken. Blu-ray a technology that is fading away already.

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1. facebook_Terry

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   07/12, 08:28pm | report spam | close reply

   Stupid Unskippable previews

   s**** Blue-ray. Not being able to skip previews is just too annoying. Straight to downloads and streaming I say.

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1. DiabloConQueso

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   07/12, 08:36pm | report spam | close reply

   iHaters Anonymous

   How much do you pay for a Blu-Ray movie these days? $20? $30? More?
   http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Up+-+Blu-ray+Disc/9506073.p?id=2019957&skuId=9506073
   
   How much do you pay for Blu-Ray recordable media, so you can create gigantic backups on a single, optical, degradable-over-time, volatile media? $2.00? $4.00? $6.00?
   http://www.amazon.com/Memorex-32020013358-Write-Once-Blu-ray-Spindle/dp/B001B96HLU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1278980900&sr=8-1
   ...and those are write once. WRITE ONCE!
   
   ...and you complain about how Apple is bending you over? Or somehow short-changing you by denying you the pleasure of bending yourself over with this c***-a** format?
   
   Sometimes one just has to slap their head over how bent out of shape people get over Apple's quality "c***" when they're out there wearing $40 T-shirts and buying overpriced Blu-Ray junk and justifying it with insane reasons like, "Look at all the extra 'content' you get on the disk! Look at all the language subtitle tracks that I can't understand but if I ever get a Portuguese exchange student I can bond with him over American popcorn and this here crappy-a** $50 movie that we'll watch once and never watch again!"
   
   ...or...
   
   "Look! I can store over 40GB on a single disk and the first time I leave it in my hot car I'll have lost every picture I've ever taken and every CD I've ever ripped then sold and every DVD rip that I downloaded from The Pirate Bay! And the best part is, that only cost me $5 a disk!"
   
   If Blu-Ray is the wave of the future, then "Idiocracy" is the defining movie of our generation.
   
   Thanks. Thanks a lot.

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1. Paul Huang

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   07/12, 09:18pm | report spam | close reply

   AppleTV without a TV

   Maybe AppleTV (anything but a TV) is going to morph into a _real_ TV with a built-in 'AppleTV', which may mark the end of Blu-Ray.
   

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1. nelsoon

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   too much download

   I'm happy if you can download 5-6 movie at 40GB each but myself i can't. 60GB is pretty the max i can download without overage and 5Mbps won't go anywhere to play HD movies in streaming. So unti the web can take the quality of Bluray, Bluray will stay.

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1. smashedbanana

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   Agreed

   I agree with Steve. His track record speaks for itself.
   
   Blu-ray has had 4 years. It's only now getting some traction now because of the death of dvd-hd and massive cuts on pricing for home players. PC players are still expensive, recorders even more so. Movie prices are still too high.
   
   DVDs took off because they lasted longer than VHS, had track skipping, digital quality, and most importantly were released earlier than VHS versions of movies. Costs also quickly came down.
   
   When it comes down to it what advantages does Blu-ray really have over DVD?
   
   Now the AppleTV / other Media device...
   
   Enjoys
   - Download from your couch
   - Agressive pricing
   - no stock shortages, even during the holidays
   - no worries about scratches
   
   

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1. CmdrGampu

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   07/13, 04:04am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Hey, DiabloConQueso

   You can get Blu-ray movies for as low as $7. Amazon and other places put them on sale all the time. Why, just the other day, each of the Terminator movies on Blu-ray was available for that price. Meanwhile, iTunes has only one of them available in HD, and it's $13. Also, if I ever decide I don't really like the movie anymore, I can sell it on eBay. Good luck selling an iTunes download. As for degradable over time, you obviously don't know that BD-R is based on durable phase-change technology, not short-lived organic dyes like DVD-R.
   
   Just FYI, you may want to spell Blu-ray right the next time. It's Blu-ray, not Blu-Ray. If you can't even spell it right, half your credibility goes out of the window instantly. I think the way you needed to inject so much hatred and swear words into your little diatribe speaks volumes about you.

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1. acpryor

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   07/13, 08:51am | report spam | close reply

   People are missing the boat

   It's not just about burning discs for backup or renting/buying movies. For those of us who would expect our Macs to be able to edit our HD footage and burn it to Blu-Ray for the ability to watch it on our home theater or to give to a client or friend, Jobs comments completely don't apply. The reality is that Blu-Ray is the HD format of choice (at the moment) and until a new one comes along, we should be able to take advantage of it.
   
   Apple calls iMovie "iMovie HD" insinuating that it is indeed an HD product but the reality is that it's not. I can't even edit videos in it and dump them to my Apple TV without audio/video errors and I'm on a Mac Pro with 9gb of ram....
   
   I think Jobs is just trying to push the iTunes store and doesn't mind disenfranchising all his loyal Apple product users.

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1. MiNGLED

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   07/13, 12:58pm | report spam | close reply

   Streamers in the minority

   Streaming is OK if you have both a very fast internet connection and a large TV linked to a computer. Pretty much everyone I know has neither. For most people the TV and the computer are still separate things, often in separate rooms. It's only a small minority that have the ability to watch HD streamed movies. Blu-Ray may well be the last physical storage medium but it will be around for some time yet.

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1. facebook_David

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   07/13, 01:09pm | report spam | close reply

   If A Film Is Worth Watching...

   ... Then it is worth watching in High Definition and right now that means Blu Ray.
   
   Will streaming content take over -- Yes eventually, once the US has band width and down load speeds equal to the Korean, or the Japanese, or the Scandinavians. Until that time ...
   
   Besides, Blu Ray is already a compromise standard, down form the superior High Def system offered by the Japanese. So why should we compromise again down to 720p? In addition, the uncompressed audio on the Blu Ray discs is simply amazing.
   
   As a veteran (or is that victim) of the Format Wars, I have owned copies of films like Star Wars on Betamax, VHS, Laser Disc and DVD (I avoided CED, remember that format kids?) and I hope to have a copy on Blu Ray.
   
   Of course Jobs is entitled to his opinion, and indeed his "opinions" have, to a large extent, shaped the current electronic landscape we now inhabit. However, his pronouncement of Blu Ray's death is, I believe, a tad bit premature.

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1. testudo

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   07/13, 02:43pm | report spam | close reply

   Re: Steve is right

   Just like those who said killing the floppy was a mistake, those who claim Blu-ray is going to reign supreme are mistaken. Blu-ray a technology that is fading away already.
   
   I just love how everyone always claims Steve was right on floppies. Did floppies die? Yes. Were they going to die sooner or later? Yes. Did Steve do anything to push their death? No.
   
   To say "he was right" over any existing technology makes it sound like he had some gift of foresight that no one else could see. That, if not for Steve saying "the floppy is dead", we'd still be buying huge boxes of 1.44MB floppies to perform backups and buying Stuffit to spread an MP3 over 3 disks.
   
   Any idiot could tell floppies would sooner or later become obsolete. Just the mere fact that people were creating larger and larger files that wouldn't fit on a single disk could tell you that. But Steve decided to remove them from Macs, so somehow he becomes the soothsayer, the oracle of all things technological who will tell us when a technology will or won't die.
   
   It doesn't seem to matter how long after Steve makes a decision for him to get credit. I'm sure if BluRay dies in 10 years, we'll be hearing how "Steve was right!".
   
   [BTW, how come no one ever mentions how Steve and Apple led the foray into CD-R drives? Oh, right, because they completely missed the CD-RW train. h***, the problem with removing the floppy drive from the iMac wasn't that they removed it, it was that they didn't have a replacement writable drive. That took another year or two to get. And getting it standard was longer than that.]