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1. lkrupp

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   08/01, 07:31pm | report spam | close reply

   And when something gets loose?

   And what happens when something bad gets loose and pwns jailbroken iPhones? What happens when personal data is compromised (like the recent Android attack) and money is stolen? Who will get blamed? The iPhone Dev-Team? The a** hat user who jailbroke their iPhone? The author of the malware? No, of course, None of those will be blamed.
   
   Apple will be blamed. That's how it works in the world of the a** hats.

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1. andrewbw

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   08/01, 08:45pm | report spam | close reply

   AWw...

   Sorry to hear your Sunday is now COMPLETELY RUINED due to what people do with their own technology. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( I hope your Monday goes better, champ! I'm rooting for you!
   
   Hey everyone? Let's all think good thoughts for lkrupp. Some big bad mean hacker baddies did something bad, and it's got him in a funk. So if you see him, be sure to give him a "chin up!" or a "there there!" or a "Look on the bright side!" if you have a moment.

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1. sammaffei

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   08/01, 09:50pm | report spam | close reply

   Someone's going to mod this...

   I can see it now... Site is spoofed. Code Modified. All of a sudden your iPhone is crank calling the White House at 3:00AM.

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1. Fast iBook

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   08/01, 11:29pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Re: Someone's going to mod this...

   Who's going to answer the call, hillary? :p
   
   - A

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1. Jane66

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   08/02, 12:10am | report spam | close reply

   Good

   Thanks Comex et al! (Dev Team)
   Just jail-broken my ipad on latest version 3.2.1.
   Absolutely effortless install, one swipe and its done!
   Great job.
   BTW, now Im totally sucked in the iPad, with it and iPad video converter from ifunia, Im reading and watching videos, movies everytime, everywhere when wanna!
   I believe with this jailbreaking, iPad can bring much more for me! awesome!

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1. HappyPhil

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   08/02, 02:10am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Use Logmein instead

   Rather than threaten the integrity of your iPad by jailbreaking, wouldn't it just be better to use logmein to connect to your souped up PC, and watch flash movies, play whatever games you have on there, and do whatever you think the iPad can't do - on your iPad?

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1. wrenchy

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   08/02, 03:02am | report spam | close reply

   re: And when something gets loose?

   
   I don't think anyone is going to blame Apple if their iPhone gets "pwnd" as a result of jailbreaking. Please give these people more credit. That's like modding your Vauxhall with an aftermarket ECU chip and twin turbos and claiming warranty repairs if the engine blows.
   
   Sounds like lkrupp doesn't like the concept of freedom. He's happier if Apple protects him from the Wide Wooly Web of malware, viruses and dragons. Just the kind of robot Apple is looking for.
   
   Hey, speaking of robots, how about that new Droid X! YOWZAAAS! Now that's a slick phone.

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1. ZinkDifferent

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   08/02, 05:26am | report spam | close reply

   No matter...

   wrenchy - if people break their own iPhones because they are stupid, you bet they will blame Apple; and if they don't, the media will. "iPhone reveals personal information to hackers - beware!" would be a typical headline.
   
   It doesn't really matter, and I do believe that iKrupp over-reacted. If this were to happen, a whole bunch of people will be compromised; maybe they will have learned their lesson, maybe they won't. It won't matter to Apple, and the situation will blow over after a couple of weeks.
   
   Maybe some of the usual housewives, or uninformed non-techs will make reference to it once in a while when it's a boring bingo night, but throughout it all, lines will extend out of Apple store, of those who want to buy their iPhones.
   
   ... and by 2012 jailbreaking will be a distant memory.

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1. facebook_Razvan

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   08/02, 05:44am | report spam | close reply

   Easy JB...

   I just found a website with full pics, faqs and tutorials, maybe it'll help - http://www.iosjailbreak.net . Helped me a lot because it was simple... JBd my devices (two iPhone 3GS, both with 4.0.1) by following the instructions from there and it all went buttery smooth!

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1. Darchmare

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   08/02, 05:54am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Okay, people...

   ...those of you who look down on those who jailbreak: You do realize, don't you, that this basically puts the iPhone in a state not unlike that of the iMacs, MacBooks, etc. you are likely accessing this site with. Right?
   
   Nobody should be made to feel bad for wanting to have full control over a device that they own. It's theirs, after all, and if Apple really won't back down and recognize this by offering a fully disclosed/disclaimed "Pro setting", this is the _only_ alternative.
   
   I do agree that _some_ (idiots) people will blame Apple if anything goes wrong, which is stupod - just as stupid as it would be if they blamed them for something a 3rd party app did on their Mac. Somehow, though, Apple's reputation over the years with a non-locked-down Mac platform is on-the-whole pretty good. So chill...

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1. Darchmare

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   08/02, 07:58am | report spam | close reply

   Marook

   I'm all for heaping scorn on the telcos. Trust me, that's another rant, but one for another day. :)
   
   And, honestly, I'm not expecting Apple to cater to the enthusiast market or those who simply wish for more flexibility than what their current "curated" setup offers. I would _like_ for them to provide the ability to load software from 3rd party sources, however (say, by burying an option in Settings that unlocks that capability but first requiring that users agree to a disclaimer saying, in-effect, that Apple cannot take responsibility for anything loaded from something other than the app store).
   
   This is, of course, the status quo in the Mac world. Most of the people here, I'll wager, are more than happy downloading software from 3rd party sources onto their Macs (using review sites and word-of-mouth to separate the good from the bad). When that software sucks, it's usually a pretty good bet they're not blaming Apple.
   
   Anyhow, Apple doesn't really _need_ to cater to the jailbreak community, though it'd be nice if they'd at least cease actively fighting against it and allow it to coexist. After all, jailbreakers don't force anyone to jailbreak their phone who doesn't want to. It's purely optional.

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1. AlenShapiro

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   08/02, 12:31pm | report spam | close reply

   Most might be missing a main point here....

   A Main Point---->Apple has released a buggy version of Safari that allows remote code execution just by accessing a specifically crafted website. Probably a vector for a rootkit - and *that's* baaaad. The problem is not "Jailbreaking" it's Safari!
   
   I jailbreak all my Apple mobile devices. I want access to a shell and all the amazing facilities that come with that. I want to not be at the whim of Apple and AT&T's marketing schemes (like paying twice for capped data access (google Dial Up Networking)). If I download an app that does something nasty it's my fault for not researching other's experiences.
   
   Though it helps, just having Apple approve an application does not keep you safe (see Citibank's "keep bank passwords in the clear" recent app release (though IMO that's also an overblown press reaction since, to get at your data, someone has to steal your phone first and then hack into it)).
   
   My phone... My choice... It's the law!

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1. testudo

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   08/02, 12:58pm | report spam | close reply

   Re: Okay, people...

   
   @Darchmare: Could we PLEASE start by putting the blame on the Telco's running your network? Do you find ANY othe phone that does NOT come locked down from your telco?
   
   Sorry, but the iPhone is locked down because Apple wants it locked down. ATT has absolutely nothing to do with that. So why should people heap scorn on them over this? Just to distract this from being an Apple thing?
   
   If Apple wants to be in this marked, they simply have to obey to _some_ facts, primary the one that says "Telco wants control over the 'terminals' used on their network, so it does not bring it down due to a bug.."
   
   Really? That's new, I'm sure, to all those people with USB cards that plug into their computers and give them access to the network. Or those running Blackberries, Palms, Androids, and other phone OSes which don't have these restrictions.
   
   You can buy all that c*** Steve laid out 3 years ago that the iPhone needed to be locked down to 'protect' the network. But that was just a bull answer and most any intelligent person saw that.
   
   Apples mindset does not focus on those people at all - and even though those people was with them to kickstart the App Store, Apple could'nt care less about jailbreaking...
   
   
   If Apple doesn't care, why do so many iDefenders care? There seems to be a vocal set of people who see jailbreaking as 'evil' or something.

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1. testudo

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   08/02, 02:53pm | report spam | close reply

   Re: Most might be missing a main point here....

   
   A Main Point---->Apple has released a buggy version of Safari that allows remote code execution just by accessing a specifically crafted website. Probably a vector for a rootkit - and *that's* baaaad. The problem is not "Jailbreaking" it's Safari!
   
   
   I wouldn't call it a 'buggy' safari, but you raise the actual point. Jailbreaking generally requires hacking the phone through a security flaw. This is why jailbreak software fails after an OS upgrade. Apple's fixed the flaw.
   
   Remember, all you Android haters and mockers of it being so insecure, all those jailbroken phones are made possible through security exploits. And this one is remote!

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1. WaltFrench

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   08/02, 05:13pm | report spam | close reply

   Middle Ground?

   “…those of you who look down on those who jailbreak: You do realize, don't you, that this basically puts the iPhone in a state not unlike that of the iMacs, MacBooks, etc. you are likely accessing this site with. Right?”
   
   Here's a hypothesis: Apple locks up the phones not because they want to control everybody, but because their contract with AT&T calls for same. (Remember all the FUD about zombie botnets taking down AT&T around 2007?)
   
   That'd also be consistent with everything else Apple has done while partnered with AT&T: introduce tethering but allow AT&T to tariff it first. Allow Google Voice & then yank it.
   
   OK, now that Apple blows the doors off the sleepy old smartphone market, Verizon (yes, the same Verizon that showed Apple the door in 2006 because they wouldn't let no damn phone manufacturer tell them what programs could or not run), decides it needs one of them app phones, and greenlights Android. Wide open. Google, fully capable of adding 2+2, touts its openness.
   
   Except it's "openi-ness" as in "truthiness." Today's Android superstars are more tightly locked down than ever: witness the Droid X, which won't boot if you root the OS. Far superior hardware protection against unsigned code. Works great to get your OS up and running (and those Verizon, Sprint and T-Mo deals done that could've been done with Apple in 2006), but has zero accountability.
   
   Apple doesn't whine about AT&T — Lord knows, they've had all the opportunities in the world — and plays by the rules it agreed to 4 years ago.
   
   = = = =
   
   OK, I don't know of a single shred of evidence that disagrees with this scenario, but have no hard-n-fast proof. I just see that Apple gives all the appropriate lip service to fighting jailbreaks, about as low-key as you could ask. At least they're honest about their partnership, even if Google (which doesn't sell phones on a single carrier, fancy that) likes to tout features that it has no say over.
   
   I don't see a moral issue to jailbreaking, but aside from unlocking your phone for travel, most of the reasons for doing it are (a) hobbyist motivated or (b) to enable you to break your contract with AT&T, e.g., secret tethering. I'm 100% in favor of the former and rather blasé on the latter, but the self-righteousness on both sides creates one of those false issues that entertains the kiddies while the carriers keep us locked to their over-priced networks.

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1. RoosterJuice

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   08/05, 11:40am | report spam | close reply

   Its funny

   They you say jail breaking voids the warranty, when I sent my Jail broken phone back for repairs and they fixed it.