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More Verizon iPhone: no dual-mode, V Cast an early barrier

updated 10:00 am EDT, Thu October 7, 2010

Verizon iPhone to go CDMA only, no V Cast shop

More details have surfaced today regarding Verizon's iPhone plans in a new leak [sub. required] that explain its network support and Verizon's reasons for turning down Apple's plans. Expanding on its earlier mention of Qualcomm supplying chips, the WSJ said the model would only support CDMA and EVDO rather than become a dual-mode device with GSM and HSPA as well. Apple had reportedly considered the option but turned it down for unknown reasons.

Qualcomm is due to have an EVDO/HSPA+ chipset that would theoretically offer no compromises, but the design has largely been planned as a fully integrated processor and not just a stand-alone cellular chipset. Apple is likely to want its A4 chip used in all models.

The ability to both talk and use data simultaneously has been an obstacle for any CDMA iPhone without LTE 4G, but rumors have suggested Apple and Verizon may have been waiting on voice over EVDO Rev. A (VoRA) to make its move. Apple and AT&T have touted the GSM version's ability to keep a call running while checking the web or an app.

The sources describing the chipset to the newspaper also revealed that many of the initial objections stemmed from Verizon's desire to implement its own store. Verizon had wanted the iPhone to use its V Cast stores, such as those for music and video, the tips said. Apple has traditionally blocked any download-to-own stores on the iPhone, in part due to competition but also since it hasn't implemented a way for third parties to add to an iPhone's media library.

Verizon has exploited Android's openness in this area by promoting its own V Cast stores on its phones running Google's OS. Officials have insisted that V Cast won't undermine Android Market, but the carrier had previously developed a reputation for promoting its own services at the expense of others. At the time the initial AT&T (then Cingular) deal had been reached, Verizon was still deliberately disabling Bluetooth data and other hardware features to drive users to its paid services.

The early opposition had also focused on Apple's unwillingness to sell iPhones through all of Verizon's usual retail partners. Apple has often maintained tight control over which stores are allowed to sell its devices, but it may have overcome the objection by expanding to Best Buy and Walmart, covering the two key areas outside of official stores.

It's unclear if Apple compromised in any way or what Verizon's reasons for dropping objections might have been, but both companies now have incentives to do business. Apple is known to be looking for a way to blunt Android's rapid growth, which is widely believed to have been possible by creating a "safe" carrier for Google in Verizon. The carrier in question has been successful through Android but is still lagging AT&T in growth as the iPhone has helped AT&T close some of the gap in share, even after Verizon's buyout of Alltel put it in the lead.



By Electronista Staff
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  1. boris_cleto

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    In other words

    iPhone won't be on Verizon any time soon.

  1. joesporleder

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    by December 2011 would be great!

    Because that's when my current Verizon contract is up.

  1. aristotles

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    +7

    Reasons why there will no Verizon iPhone.

    1. V-Cast.
    2. Verizon branding.
    3. Verizon's view of handset makers as OEMs and marketing phones to consumers rather than the handset maker marketing to the consumer. Apple markets one phone model to everyone around the world and only uses carriers are subsidized sales channels.

  1. coffeetime

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    Joined: Nov 2006

    -4

    Compromise

    At the current rate of Android's growth, Apple is willing to work things out with Verizon. I am sure they both have lots of options laying out on table. They just have to agree on one. My guts tell me there will be a special Verizon version of iTunes that works with V Cast.

  1. eliotw

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    Verizon was never customer driven

    "At the time the initial AT&T (then Cingular) deal had been reached, Verizon was still deliberately disabling Bluetooth data and other hardware features to drive users to its paid services."

    Glad you included this history lesson. People often forget how the wireless telcos behaved prior to Apple's iPhone strategy. Knowing they'd go back to this model is they could is the biggest reason I will never use Verizon.

    E

  1. testudo

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    -8

    Re: Verizon was never customer driven

    Glad you included this history lesson. People often forget how the wireless telcos behaved prior to Apple's iPhone strategy. Knowing they'd go back to this model is they could is the biggest reason I will never use Verizon.


    So Verizon disabled it and Apple doesn't even offer it. And Apple's device is all about pointing the user to it's paid services. The point?

  1. testudo

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    Re: Compromise

    At the current rate of Android's growth, Apple is willing to work things out with Verizon. I am sure they both have lots of options laying out on table. They just have to agree on one. My guts tell me there will be a special Verizon version of iTunes that works with V Cast.

    Steve said he had no desire to be a 'majority' in the phone market. He wanted to carve off a slice and be happy with it. Also, Steve is not one to 'compromise' on anything. It will be his way, or Verizon won't get it. They may get VCast support, but through its own app, not as some iTunes add-on hack or anything.

    As such, Verizon will get an iphone that will look like an ATT iphone and do everything it does. I would be shocked if it were anything else.

    BTW, Verizon needs/wants the iPhone a whole lot more than Apple needs/wants Verizon. The iPhone isn't exactly sitting on shelves.

  1. xmlaroux

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    Do you get it?

    I've been reading Electronista for a year, and I love this site. The information comes fast and is overall just what I want. I read the comments to guage the Macboys view.

    1. Verizon will have an Iphone very early in 2011, and that is set in stone.. Isupply tells you this.
    2. Apple needs Verizon just as much as anyone. Verizon has the best network, the fastest network, and the newest network that is growing faster than ANY network.
    3. AT&T's GSM and HSPA+ is a stopgap and will significantly suffer compared to Verizon's 4G LTE which is rolling out faster than anyone had imagined. LTE will dominate both HSPA+ and Wimax. By the time AT&T starts its LTE upgrade in late 2011/12, they will be WAY behind in the deployment. Oh, and the straight replacement of GSM to LTE will be very costly, but you will finally get over the dropped calls and poor 3G coverage.
    4. Apple needs CDMA for their voice + data at the same time.. you guys just don't understand the technology.

    Most of you are correct in the fact that Apple doesn't care so much about market share etc... they want maximum profit. MAC/Iphone/IPOD make tons of money on hardware, and services. People buy it because it is cool to buy it, and it works really well. As long as Apple keeps this over simplified product on the market and people think its cool... then Apple is in great shape. The MOB is more important than the product.
    Android is cool now. Iphone 4 lost its luster very quickly. The problems it has didn't help, but Apple has slowed production to keep it "in short supply" on purpose, lets call this the "Nintendo Wii" model.

    Keep up the good comments, and remember, we all win if you keep buying over priced Apple products that limit your abilities, and I keep buying everything that Apple doesn't make... :)

    I'm no fanboy, I just don't like overpaying for things we shouldn't have too..

  1. anthology123

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    V Cast instead of iTunes

    I find it hard to believe that Apple would have V Cast instead of iTunes on Verizon's new LTE network just to get it on the market. If the only portal is V Cast, I won't be switching anytime soon. Plus, Apple would have to redesign the iPhone front so a big Verizon logo can be emblazed on the front, as well as the back.

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