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1. MyRightEye

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   10/29, 09:41pm | report spam | close reply

   What Jobs meant to say...

   "And besides, we're about to release Light Peak that will make USB-3 as obsolete as an RS-232 port."

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1. iphonerulez

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   10/29, 10:49pm | report spam | close reply

   Did Apple ever say why it passed up on

   eSata? Was there something that Steve Jobs didn't like about it? Possibly not wanting too many different types of ports on a computer? Light Peak seems like it would be terrific, but will it be something that only Apple will use? As long as I can get drive cases that support it then I'll just upgrade as I've been doing all these many years.

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1. rtamesis

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   10/29, 11:25pm | report spam | close reply

   Re: dada33

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1. JeffHarris

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   10/30, 01:23am | report spam | close reply

   Think LightPeak!

   My theory is that Apple will entirely bypass USB and will wait until LightPeak is ready to go. USB2 is good enough for low bandwidth input devices.
   
   If LightPeak is all that is promised, it will obliterate every other interface... USB, eSATA, FireWire.

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1. samirsshah

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   10/30, 01:34am | report spam | close reply

   Intel's heavy hand

   does not even spare Apple
   

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1. SockRolid

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   10/30, 02:02am | report spam | close reply

   Light Peak or Power over Ethernet?

   I think Jobs is waiting for the dust to settle. USB3 is going to be facing competition from Light Peak and PoE. Apple seems to hate putting big, expensive, seldom-used connectors on their Macs, especially MacBook lines. If they can satisfy most of their users with one single universal high speed connector, they'll do it. The trick is picking the right one. (And of course Apple is pretty big into wireless these days too.)

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1. SockRolid

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   10/30, 02:06am | report spam | close reply

   Apple's future is their own ARM variants

   @ samirsshah - "Intel's heavy hand does not even spare Apple"
   
   Maybe that's the real long-term reason why Apple created their own A4 variant of the ARM reference design. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple took things all the way and made a multi-core ARM SoC that they could eventually fit into a MacBook Air. Running a special build of Mac OS X (or an iOS + Mac OS hybrid in the post-Lion timeframe...)

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1. chas_m

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   10/30, 03:09am | report spam | close reply

   Argh, once again ...

   ... Jobs is right.
   
   USB3 has been curiously undersupported by the PC community and Intel itself since it finally debuted, a mere six years behind schedule.
   
   Intel's hesitance may be understandable, since they clearly have Light Peak up their sleeve and may want to keep their powder dry for that if it's going to show up in a year or two.
   
   The PC world's reluctance is more confusing, since they mindlessly head towards anything that promises faster even if its mostly hype (ie USB2) -- but perhaps there's a simple reason there too -- there just isn't that much stuff that *needs* speeds any higher than USB2 (other than RAID and stuff like that of course). The Windows crowd seem "sated" with eSATA, and given it's speed I don't blame them.

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1. martinX

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   10/30, 06:18am | report spam | close reply

   Forget light peak

   To all the naysayers, USB isn't "hype", it is real. Cal Digit has produced a USB drive capable of ~145 MB/s and have even gone so far as to package a PCI card and Mac USB 3 driver. The same drive also has a FW800 port which is capable of ~85 MB/s, which is a speed unheard of for this interface so they have done some marvellous work there too. This is from a serious company that makes seriously good Mac products.
   
   LaCie has also just released a RAID 0 box capable of similarly high speeds. The problem does lie with Intel, it seems, but Apple should be pushing and pushing hard to get USB3 into our hands. At the very least, it will make inexpensive external storage much more accessible for video editing.
   
   Forget Light Peak until it appears - this stuff is available right now.

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1. bathswana

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   10/30, 09:44am | report spam | close reply

   Intel + Apple = Light Peak Royalties

   From Engadget last year:
   
   Exclusive: Apple dictated Light Peak creation to Intel, could begin migration from other standards as early as 2010
   
   

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1. testudo

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   Re: Argh, once again

   USB3 has been curiously undersupported by the PC community and Intel itself since it finally debuted, a mere six years behind schedule.
   
   And yet Apple could lead the bandwagon for USB 3 like they did with USB. But, nope. Apparently it isn't important to help current users at all. It's all about 'the future' 5 years down the road.
   

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1. testudo

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   10/30, 10:36am | report spam | close reply

   LightPeak

   My theory is that Apple will entirely bypass USB and will wait until LightPeak is ready to go. USB2 is good enough for low bandwidth input devices.
   
   And yet wouldn't USB 3 be great for those external hard drives, which are far more prevalent, cheaper, and cross-platform, than Firewire drives.
   
   
   If LightPeak is all that is promised, it will obliterate every other interface... USB, eSATA, FireWire.
   
   Yes, but that's a big IF. So many technologies always announce to great fanfare and promise, but how many live up to it?
   
   And how long before it comes out? You say USB 3.0 was 6 years behind schedule. What makes you think Intel can get LightPeak out the door 'on-time'?
   
   Exclusive: Apple dictated Light Peak creation to Intel, could begin migration from other standards as early as 2010
   
   
   Apple did NOT dictate Light Peak to Intel. At best it was a suggestion.

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1. MorituriMax

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   10/30, 10:42am | report spam | close reply

   Give us SOMETHING please!

   We're getting motherboards by the end of this or beginning of next year that start including USB3.0 natively. Steve is kind of playing word games, since unless someone starts adding USB 3.0 natively, OF COURSE it isn't going to take off. Once they start putting something out there that everyone can use they will use it.
   
   I don't know anyone who want to go BACKWARDS to older hardware if they have a choice. Come on, give us SOMETHING that offsets moving huge collections of files around, with these much bigger drives it's really getting nigh impossible to effectively manage the stuff on them, ie: backing up drives, organizing file collections from itunes and other music services.

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1. testudo

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   10/30, 10:43am | report spam | close reply

   Oh

   And of course Apple will love LightPeak, and the fanboys will love it.
   
   Users, on the other hand, who suddenly realize they'll either need to get all new peripherals to use it. Or get a bunch of adaptors they need to drop off the side of their computers. Great for laptop users! They love carrying dongles, right! And unlike those PC users, Mac users love all those external devices and cables on their desks. That's why they don't want expandable macs!
   
   And I'm sure if someone tries to mention there really isn't any hard drive that can fill the bus (like they claim with USB 3), they'll be shot down for not looking to the future. Or how it's so cool that the network, external hard drives, and mice all talk on the same bus.
   

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1. IxOsX

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   10/30, 05:19pm | report spam | close reply

   USB3 please

   I don't care what Jobs thinks. I am a consumer, and I want USB3 to use external disks with Virtual Machines, or just backup faster, or just to save my musics or movies, have bigger storage disks access searching data, etc.
   
   Light Peak is a lab idea, a great idea, but is not ready for at least 2-3 years. So I am hopping that USB3 come fast to Macs, but if Apple thinks they can't engineer and miniaturize this tech to his devices, then I will have to move to another system and machine. Hope not, because I love my OSX system.

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1. Telekinesis

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   10/31, 06:31am | report spam | close reply

   9/10 things not availible for your system!

   Apple: Join us and be behind the game

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1. ggirton

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   10/31, 04:51pm | report spam | close reply

   USB3 is for external drives

   Apple's underlying idea may be that you will not really need an external drive at all, let alone a much faster one. You will use their datacenter to store your stuff -- and that doesn't require super-fast USB3 or even light peak (not available until 2012 at the earliest, BTW). Just keep this idea in mind over the next 6 months, as they come online with full online backup and storage.
   
   I'm sure that when USB3 is more of a standard -- next year sometime -- Apple will have it. The big advantage of Light Peak though is not really-fast external drives. Instead, it is in INSTANT synchronization with little pods, pads, phones. It's more about the experience, and less about the utility as we have come to understand it in conventional terms.

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1. IxOsX

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   10/31, 09:51pm | report spam | close reply

   By the way

   For the LightPeak defenders over USB3, just remember to bought new external disks, printers, and all devices that use USB2, because LightPeak is not retro-compatible like USB3 is with USB2.
   
   And to wait some years, using/buying only USB2 (old tech) until LightPeak is ready to production, at high prices, like Apple know best.