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Nokia sues Apple again in Germany, Netherlands, UK

updated 08:25 am EST, Thu December 16, 2010

Nokia widens Apple suits in 3 European countries

Nokia on Thursday refused to back down in its patent dispute with Apple and sued the American company in Germany, the Netherlands and the UK. The Dusseldorf, The Hague and London complaints accuse Apple of violating 13 extra patents beyond the 24 already leveraged against Apple in the US. Unlike past complaints, Nokia this time was counting on the age of its patents to avoid prior art and covered basic touch interfaces, app stores, messaging and signalling technology that in some cases have existed for years.

"For example, [we have patented] using a wiping gesture on a touch screen to navigate content, or enabling access to constantly changing services with an on-device app store, both filed more than ten years before the launch of the iPhone," Nokia said.

It added that none of the patents were related to 3G or other standards that were the impetuses for the original lawsuit from over a year ago. Nokia has maintained that all phones using UMTS- or HSPA-based 3G are partly based on its technology and owe Nokia patent royalties. Apple has been one of the few to challenge the validity of the patents in court.

The European lawsuits are a direct response to Apple's UK lawsuit and an attempt to have Apple back down and reach a settlement rather than go through the cost of a trial. Both have also tried to speed up the process by filing complaints with the US International Trade Commission that could more quickly determine the validity of some patents and push one side or both into an out-of-court deal.



By Electronista Staff
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  1. kerryb

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    +3

    this seems personal

    Patents that existed 10 years prior to the iphone is 13 years ago. I would think these patents are closely related to what Apple is doing as I am to my ancestors from 200 years ago.

  1. jdsonice@gmail.com

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    +7

    Goodbye Nokia!

    Nokia used to be a great company that innovated and unseated Motorola. Unfortunately, they fell in the same trap as Motorola and became complacent and lost to RIM, Apple, and Google. Now, instead of being smart they are attempting to win back market share by suing Apple.

    The genie is out of the bag. Even if Nokia wins, their market share will not rise. They maybe the first phone kids buy but the upgrade to more expensive phones will go to Apple, Google or maybe RIM.

    Too bad. My stock in Nokia is doing horrible.

    JDS

  1. Foe Hammer

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    +5

    So *THAT* is Why Everyone Says Apple Copied Nokia

    "For example, [we have patented] using a wiping gesture on a touch screen to navigate content, or enabling access to constantly changing services with an on-device app store, both filed more than ten years before the launch of the iPhone," Nokia said.

    ... because of all the Nokia touch screen phones and the Nokia App Store that have been around for over 10 years.

    It's hard for me to blame Apple for missing it if I missed them too - along with all of the rest of the world's consumers.

  1. coffeetime

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    Joined: Nov 2006

    +7

    Swiping interface...... ooooooh

    Why not put to use before Apple started it. Nokia, you are so LOW.

  1. Bobfozz

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    +2

    Nokia didn't believe...

    in "their" own patents until someone else showed them how to use them. We'll see how this turns out. For some reason if what Nokia "thinks" is true, Apple (and others) defied them because they figured Nokia had NO case. Nokia had the money, the market share, and the attention... and boring phones. But they did nothing about it. It will cost them.

  1. Eldernorm

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    +2

    as I understand it

    The true basis for this whole law suit thing is that Nokia wanted to use Apple technology and so charged very high prices for use of standard Nokia patents that everyone pays for. This is illegal over there but Nokia figured that Apple would have to pay or turn over technology to Nokia.

    Apple said "Bite me" and Nokia sued. Apple counter sued and noted that Nokia was trying to charge illegally high fees for its standard patent use. Now its going back and forth. As the article said, Nokia is not trying to use patents so old that no one even remembers them and there is prior art on those too.

    Sad world and Nokia may be soon to leave it.

    just a thought,
    en

  1. Peter Bonte

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    +1

    Nokia

    You are really dumb, for real.
    Don't pi** off Apple, in the end you will be crushed. If you get Jobs mad enough Apple will make a $59 feature phone and kill all the business Nokia has left, highly unlikely to happen but try hard enough and ...

  1. ggarthe

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    Competition...

    by lawsuit. Nokia is obviously loosing relevance in the mobile tech world, and they're obviously too dumb to figure out how to fix it, so this must be their last ditch effort to stay competitive... by suing one of the biggest players. What I don't get though is why is it just Apple? Android and WebOS use technologies that are very similar to, if not exactly the same, those used in Apple devices, yet they've been left alone. And I seriously doubt that Google or Palm would pay royalties on a touch gesture anymore than Apple would, so to me this just reinforces the fact that this is nothing more than Nokia having a "we suck, you rock, so we're gonna sue for the millions in lost revenue" bone to pick with Apple.

  1. Paul Huang

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    Joined: Sep 1999

    +1

    I swipe my book page to get to the next

    Can't beat them, sue them.

    Swiping...the mechanism of the touch screen or the gesture itself? That's been around for ages. I swiped the page to get to the next. Nothing new.

    Next.

  1. bdmarsh

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    careful about claiming earlier...

    At least some interface technology for mobile devices, Apple had in working systems back with the Newton.
    It might inspire Apple to dig father back and cause more issues for Nokia.

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