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1. chas_m

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   12/21, 06:52am | report spam | close reply

   Before ...

   ... we all go jumping to conclusions -- which may or may not be correct -- let me throw one out there you may not have thought of:
   
   This pull may have been initiated by WikiLeaks *itself.* I can't imagine that they would be happy someone has made a for-profit app off their work.
   
   Yeah, yeah, I know, Apple is a capitalist tool of The Man etc ... maybe so. I'm just sayin' there COULD be another explanation. I have NO IDEA what the real story is, and frankly the whole WikiLeaks affair is starting to morph into a bad episode of the X-Files ...

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1. chippie

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   12/21, 07:22am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Statement From Apple, Please

   Considering all the hoopla in the USA( the rest of the world hardly gives a S**T), Apple should give an explanation as to why the app has been dropped. If it is to jump on the wikileaks bashing bandwagon, then Apple should suffer just fruits: cyber attacks, boycotts, and perhaps a bit of vandalism.
   If Apple is bowing to USA Government pressure, then it's more just fruits.
   I see this as an issue of freedom of the press and dissemination of information. If this was classified information, why did 3.5 million Americans have access to it? And why go after Assange(the messenger), when some whistle blower gave him the information( Assange did not remove the info from the governments computers). And every major newspaper and television network in the world is publishing and broadcasting the information.
   Is this the just and free and fair world that we live in? Yes, The world is none of these, and this whole circus makes it clear had we started to forget it.

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1. TomSawyer

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   12/21, 08:37am | report spam | close reply

   @chippie

   So you advocate cyber attacks, vandalism, and treason/espionage? Then you justify this advocacy by cloaking it in the name of "freedom and fairness!"
   
   Let me guess: Bachelor of Arts in (insert whatever touchy-feely degree you wish) from (read whatever whiny Liberal Arts School you want), and never a lick of REAL public service in your dossier.

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1. facebook_Benjamin

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   12/21, 08:38am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   If this is Apple's doing...

   ...then Apple won't ever get any of my money again. I'll wait for some sort of official word before ranting though.

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1. facebook_Benjamin

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   12/21, 09:11am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   @TomSawyer

   I don't know about Chippe but I have a degree and masters in Computer Science, I work in the British public sector, I also served in the army but feel free to try and stereotype any and all that don't agree with you, you've probably already noticed you're very bad at it.
   
   Loving the above comment being voted down because a consumer decided to voice with his wallet, the only thing corporations will listen to. I don't like the stance they take, so I refuse them my money.

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1. TomSawyer

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   12/21, 09:30am | report spam | close reply

   @facebook_Benjamin

   Doesn't sound like you qualify for my "stereotype" of Chippie, nor do I note you actually rebutting my summation of Chippies apparent high regard for breaking a few federal and international laws. I hold capitalism and voting with your wallet in the highest regard...please feel free to continue to do so.
   If, however, you feel not buying a new iMac or iPod is sending a clear and direct message to Steve Jobs not to cave to US government pressure I'm afraid your strategy may be a little less effective than you would hope.

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1. Jonathan-Tanya

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   12/21, 09:38am | report spam | (3 replies) close | reply

   Tom Sawyer

   Judge, Jury and Executioner all in one eh?
   
   if laws have been broken, let them charge and get a conviction.
   
   They haven't even done that yet.
   
   And btw, what is making you angry, is absolutely not a crime - reporting on leaked documents.
   
   What would be a crime is if they organized/provided aide/caused the documents to be leaked - that would be espionage in the United States.
   
   And if Julian Assange committed a crime, then he should be punished. But WikiLeaks itself is perfectly legal, and will continue to provide a very valuable service - to republish leaks without editorial slant. To do the job of journalism, that modern day journalists refuse to do.
   
   Sunshine is a good thing.

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1. chippie

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   12/21, 10:01am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   @TomSawyer

   What I advocate is the right of people to protest. And to protest how they see fit. The manners in which people protest are many and change over time to use the current technologies(and of course hold on to old effective ones). I just listed three common ones. There are many more methods.
   The touchiest and most felt issue with your response is how treason/espionage is defined in relation to a third party publishing and disseminating stolen information. Government(1st party)information stolen by government employee( 2nd party) then given to the press( 3rd party). The crime occurred between the 1st and 2nd parties.
   Now you introduced the murky terms treason/espionage, not I. Treason is a charge that is only used by governments against people who catch them out and embarrass them. And treason is so not clearly defined in law that any act can be considered treason if the concerned government chooses to USE the word. And espionage is a game that most governments play, so to make this charge towards another individual or government is pure hypocrisy. These two words are thus rendered meaningless to me. You introduced them not I.
   
   I received a bachelor of science in Electrical Engineering in 1988 from a good university in Philadelphia. I regularly exercise my right to protest, but I have never been a politician, haha!( in reference to "REAL public service in your dossier") Oh, but I have served jury duty three times.
   

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1. Mr. Strat

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   12/21, 10:31am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   What's the loss?

   Assange is a criminal for his actions. He knew the documents were stolen, and they should have never been published.

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1. Greengo

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   12/21, 10:37am | report spam | close reply

   Ok...

   Whether you approve of the actual WikiLeaks or not, the fact remains that this app was called "WikiLeaks App" and was $2, but wasn't created/released by the official WikiLeaks...if WikiLeaks wasn't behind Apple pulling this app, they should be.
   It would be like someone creating a "MacNN App" to follow all MacNN postings and charging money for it...ummm no.
   
   I fully agree with chas_m.

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1. mr100percent

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   12/21, 11:27am | report spam | close reply

   Donations

   The app clearly violated Apples policy on donations, which is most likely the case the app was removed, and was clearly admitted to by the apps creator.
   
   See section 21 of the app store guidelines. Donations can only be collected with free apps, and only in certain ways. Most likely since Apple cannot confirm that $1 is being donated like the app submitter is saying, it got pulled. If the person resubmits it with in app donations it will probably pass again. Otherwise we will have an explosion of "pay me $1.99 and I'll donate $1" apps all over the place and no money getting donated. Where as in app donations can be confirmed.

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1. chippie

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   12/21, 12:16pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Again, Statement From Apple, Please

   The Silence is deafening.
   First off, How old was the wikileak app?( Very important).
   What would prompt Apple to look into the wikileak app?( Nothing better to do? Anonymous inquiry?).
   Was it a legitimate submission from wikileaks? ( We know that someone wants wikileaks to loose funding and frankly cease to exist).
   Was it a clandestine submission from wikileaks?( Could be? hosting websites cost even as banks and corporations shut down wikileak's funding avenues).
   or, Was it from an opportunist with foresight? ( depends on age of app).
   or, Was it put there by an opportunistic apple employee? ( not so far fetched).
   h***, could Apple have been secretly helping to keep the cash flowing? ( Who is really keeping such a close eye on 300,000+ individual apps?!? Why would anyone even notice if it has been there?!?).
   SO MANY MORE POSSIBILITIES.
   If Apple says nothing, then speculation can fester. And if something truly embarrassing to Apple has happened, then a legal shutting up( of those in the know) process must take place before a crafted story can be told.
   So, I state it again: "Statement From Apple, Please

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1. wrenchy

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   12/21, 12:25pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   @ FB_Ben

   
   
   >>>If, however, you feel not buying a new iMac or iPod is sending a clear and direct message to Steve Jobs
   
   I don't buy any Apple products. Do you think Steve gets my message?

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1. facebook_Scott

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   12/21, 12:38pm | report spam | close reply

   Boycotts

   Boycotts only work when you have the economic clout to make a dent in their income stream. Sorry folks, you don't.

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1. chippie

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   12/21, 01:17pm | report spam | close reply

   Boycotts

   are collective action so depend on the actions of many, not one person or a few. But really, If Apple isn't boycotted for manufacturing solely in China where factory workers are exploited in ways that are illegal in most of the industrialized world not to mention all the carbon emissions to ship the products round the world, there is no threat of a boycott over this( at least I think not). But this doesn't mean that other forms of protest will not happen. And don't underestimate the power of a few comments on a site like this. A few people refusing to buy from Apple, convincing a few others can quickly add up like multiplying bacteria. While Apple may not go bust they may still feel the dent in growth. And bad press isn't helpful.

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1. aristotles

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   12/21, 02:57pm | report spam | close reply

   People like Chippie are out of touch with reality

   They do not work for a living or at least in a large publicly traded company. They probably lived a very sheltered life with rich parents and have no first hand knowledge of what real poverty feels like. They have a double standard where if any of their information was leaked by their bank or other financial institution, they would demand blood of the person who leaked/lost the information but also reparations but it does not affect them then they don't see the problem.
   
   It is a problem when an employee leaks information for a purpose other than to expose corruption. The fact that some of the information leaked had smoking guns to alleged corruption does not excuse the reckless theft of the documents by the government employee or Wikileaks forwarding all of that information to the media outlets.

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1. chippie

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   12/21, 05:21pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   @aristotles

   No, aristotles, people like you and TomSawyer have English as a second or third language. In which case you can be excused for not comprehending any of my post on this matter. I wrote exactly what I meant. My original comment is the second(2nd). Now in comments and replies from you two, you have both added your own agenda's to my statement, which needed no clarification if you are literate in English.
   
   

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1. Peter Bonte

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   12/22, 05:58am | report spam | close reply

   Is android open or not

   Can the app or info be found on the android market?

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1. facebook_Benjamin

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   12/23, 06:50am | report spam | close reply

   Gotta laugh at the...

   ..comments here, "boycotts only work if you have clout". I know this is hard for some of you to grasp, but in very very simple terms for you, I won't follow any company blindly, I don't like Apples actions and because of that I won't give them my money, I find the "it's teh rules" comment from Apple to be a little strange given that they didn't seem to care about this app until now. It's as simple as that, I do not want to give them my money anymore. I don't expect Steve Jobs to care, I also don't expect him to notice, I don't expect anyone to follow me. It's my money, it goes where I want it to go, I don't give a c*** if I don't have "boycott clout", I love the way some have borderline suggested someone should keep on paying out to a company they disapprove of simple because "boycotts don't work". If everyone had that view, there would be no Apple and only a Microsoft. God you people act dumb.