Orange not happy about closed system from Nokia-Microsoft

updated 01:20 pm EST, Wed February 16, 2011

Orange weary of closed Nokia-Microsoft system


European cell carrier Orange said on Wednesday that it disapproved of what it calls a closed mobile system from the recent Nokia-Microsoft tie-up. Chief marketer Jean-Paul Cottet said providers prefer to offer open systems that give its customers choice. They have a say in the popularity of phones as they choose how much to subsidize them.

The iPhone and its iOS is one such closed system and benefits one company in particular. The tie-up between Nokia and Microsoft, that would see the latter's Windows Phone 7 OS on the former's handsets, is seen as another.

Cottet also voiced concerns about what Nokia will do until it releases its first Windows Phone 7 handsets in 2012. What will it try to sell to Orange in the second half of 2011, Cottet asked. The Orange executive stopped short of saying the mobile OS would be blocked but threatened to drop it for Android or others if it became a problem.

"Microsoft and Nokia are companies we both work with and respect, so for now we will give them the benefit of the doubt," Cottett said. "But if their interest in the medium term is to lock up the clients in a closed system, well then we would have to go look elsewhere for an open alternative."

Google's Android OS, in contrast, is much more open, Cottet noted.

A closed philosophy usually requires explicit approval for apps to run on the company's hardware and having major, though not necessarily exclusive, control of the billing relationship with the customer in order to make a large profit. Apple has usually been representative of the model and has been criticized for being inconsistent in which apps can reach or stay on the App Store. It has also been criticized for banning apps that would compete with iTunes or other services. The approach has, however, minimized piracy and kept malware virtually non-existent.

Orange carries the iPhone but didn't level the same criticisms against Apple.


By Electronista Staff

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  1. BlueGonzo

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    +15

    the meaning of open

    So open means to carriers: they can add "value content" to subsidized smartphone. Or in other words: CRAPWARE.


  1. BigMac2

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    +13

    "Closed" or "Open" means nothing for end users

    I'm really tired of Open-Close argue on mobile plateforme. The only real implication of Open plateforme is the fact that Google can't ask any money for their OS. Google doesn't own the majority of the soft being used in Android.

    That doesn't make in any mean a better product for end user. Android is a Google Ads trojan horse.


  1. prl99

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    piracy and malware

    Did the Orange marketer actually make the comment about the lack of piracy and malware on the iPhone or did that come from the author of this post? It would be nice if it came from the former, documenting one of the iPhone infrastructures main justifications for not being an "open" system. In other words, Orange is going to allow Apple to continue to be a closed system because it manages it better than they could. We're not even going to talk about Nokia and Microsoft trying to keep malware off their phone since almost all of the current attack vectors of Windows 7 (and all previous versions) would probably work just as well on WM7.


  1. facebook_Mel

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    +3

    Closed a problem here?

    I don't think that's the real problem here. The real problem, as was hinted at, is that why would they want to offer Symbian phones in the second half of 2011, or first half of 2012, when those phones will be dead meat. This is a problem the MS/Nokia combo will face.

    The second problem is the question of how well Nokia WP 7 phones will sell. This is all unknown. Then the question about Symbian sales. Elop can give rosy numbers about selling another 150 million Symbian phones based on how many they've sold during the same period in the last 18 months, but it doesn't mean that consumers will buy them at that rate during the next 18 months. Why would someone buy into a burning platform that is about to be discontinued?


  1. Jonathan-Tanya

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    yep one problem is becoming clear

    Nokia talked at length about the need to bring value to themselves, and not so much "Google" - the problem is other players don't necessarily have a stake in giving Nokia such value - not the least of which is the consumers themselves.

    Driving prices up is the opposite of what most consumers want.

    And the carriers, they need a value proposition and have a stake in it.

    well I admit I do not think this MS-Nokia deal has any realistic prospect of success, mostly because the premise of multiple ecosystems, is just flawed. The market may have multiple competitors, but it usually does not have competing ecosystems.

    Blu-ray defeats HDDVD. VHS defeats Betamax. Maybe we can look to PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 for a rare 3-ecosystem fight. But its mighty rare, and I wouldn't bet on it long term, even in Video games.


  1. Foe Hammer

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    Choice!

    At least Microsoft and Nokia have offered "choice" with their closed system. But wait - isn't this the kind of choice Microsoft is against?

    Nevermind. I always have to remind myself that "Microsoft choice" is not an oxymoron - it's a euphemism for "Would you like to jump in a pool of horse poo, cow poo or elephant poo today?"


  1. Foe Hammer

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    Just Say ...

    Anyone else think that the large "NO" between Elop and Ballmer in their picture is not terribly subtle?

    Would someone with Photoshop hurry up and turn that partial 'K' into the exclamation point it's so desperately crying out to be?


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