AMD downplays Thunderbolt, claims it steals video bandwidth

updated 06:05 pm EST, Tue March 1, 2011

AMD tries to talk down Thunderbolt


AMD in a comment hoped to minimize the impact of Intel's Thunderbolt technology. It argued that the 10Gbps bandwidth wasn't necessarily enough for video as a DisplayPort connector could handle up to 17Gbps, limiting what a screen attached in a Thunderbolt chain could manage. Any other devices in the link could further reduce the bandwidth and would rule out multiple displays, conveniently including multi-screen arrays using its own Eyefinity technology.

It pointed out also that the headroom in the initial Thunderbolt spec wasn't much larger than for PCI Express, SATA or USB 3.0 and could trigger slowdowns if there were more than one device working at the same time.

"Many AMD-based platforms support USB 3.0 which offers 4.8Gbps of peak bandwidth, AMD natively supports SATA 6Gb/s with our 8-series [system] chipsets," a representative said. "Total bandwidth stated for a Thunderbolt channel is only 20 percent higher than one PCI Express 3.0 lane and about 52 percent higher than a single USB 3.0 port."

It went on to argue that the bandwidth of other, existing standards was enough and, since it was separate, could theoretically offer more than Thunderbolt.

AMD's comments have some merit as few users may be willing to daisy-chain more than one main device and a display. The chip designer nonetheless has a vested interest in trying to minimize Thunderbolt since it would have to buy controller chips from Intel and reward its opponent. Its graphics cards regularly depend on Mini DisplayPort to allow multi-display from a single card and might put pressure on it to incorporate Thunderbolt on future Radeon hardware or else help third parties use it.

Apple, the first to use Thunderbolt in its new MacBook Pro, has focused more on the ease of use of merging displays and a high-speed interface into a single, small connector. Notebooks have rarely had the option of using RAID arrays or other very bandwidth-heavy devices since they rarely have ports fast enough to support more than one drive. [via Xbit Labs]


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  1. msuper69

    Mac Elite

    Joined: Jan 2000

    +23

    Oh puh-leeze!

    This is just sour grapes cause they didn't invent it!


  1. Paul Huang

    Dedicated MacNNer

    Joined: Sep 1999

    +12

    On the surface...

    It seems to make sense, but then, it sounds more like:

    If you have DSL on your phone line, the telephone conversation would be in

    s l o w m o t i o n


  1. dashiel

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    Joined: Sep 2001

    +15

    That's why…

    …Apple's implementation has a duplex solution both running at 10Gbps bi-directionally one dedicated entirely to DisplayPort the other for data. Nice try AMD.


  1. drbenru

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    Joined: Jan 2007

    +12

    They didn't bother to read huh?

    Had they read all the slides in Intel's presentation they would know that Thunderbolt has 10Gbps per channel per direction and contains two channels. So at least it can handle 20Gbps but intel even mentioned that if needed it could handle 40Gbps in a single direction occupying both channels. Granted I would rather have an opinion with full specs, and technical data but that's not available yet.


  1. ggirton

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    typically with a laptop

    you are running either external storage or a display -- but not both. It will be interesting to see the Mac Pro options for T-Bolt. heh.


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  1. ilovestevejobs

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    -31

    Man isheeps are rife

    I love how people are just dissing on AMD.

    Why I remember the time when people were dissing on Intel compared to the awesome IBM Power PC until Apple made the move.

    I just dug up this good old article.

    http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/06/03/intel.cpus.inside.macs/

    Its a very good portrayal of isheeps. But can I blame them? No because its how Apple have trained the isheep crowd. NOT to think different :)


  1. Feathers

    Grizzled Veteran

    Joined: Oct 1999

    +11

    iSheep?

    What iloveb0wjobs fails to mention re: http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/06/03/intel.cpus.inside.macs/
    is the fact that the issue of PPC vs Intel was hotly and extensively debated with people arguing on both sides at impressive length and in some detail. Hardly the actions of sheep. Reasoned debate is a far more common feature on MacNN than he might find at the Windows Tea Party that he clearly loves so much. Guess he likes tea and other things dripping from his chin.


  1. Makosuke

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    Joined: Aug 2001

    +3

    Not Sour Grapes, Anyway...

    It's kind of ironic since the only current Thunderbolt implementation in the world uses AMD's own graphics chips on two out of the three models.

    It does sound rather like sour grapes, since they're touting theoretical bandwidth limits that no currently sold monitor requires--10Gbps is enough to drive the highest resolution panel currently on the open market at 30 bit color.

    Not saying that there won't be higher resolution displays available eventually, but it's not like you're shooting yourself in the foot with a computer that only has a Thunderbolt port for video out.


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