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Adobe/Apple row about control of platforms, says Adobe CEO

updated 01:30 pm EDT, Thu June 2, 2011

 

Fighting over, exec comments


The conflict between Apple and Adobe over Flash has been about business models and control of platforms, says Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen. Speaking at the D9 conference, the executive remarked that using Flash, a developer can author code once and have it in wide distribution. Some 130 million Flash-capable phones will be in circulation by the end of the year, Narayen estimates.

"It’s all about control of the applications running on the platform that lets the platform come to life. If you build in Flash, you can run the apps on other platforms," he comments. He observes for instance that Flash can actually run on iOS devices, it just has to do so within Adobe AIR. "If you can build app using our tools, and if you run it through AIR, it can be in the App Store," the CEO states.

Although having to use AIR is an "extra step," Narayen promises that Adobe will "work around any obstacles" to help developers publish. He mentions that the company has solved at least one problem through its Digital Publishing Suite, which allows an app to be developed for iOS, Android and other platforms simultaneously. A common use of the DPS is iPad magazine publishing, one example being Wired.

Apple and Adobe have stopped fighting, Narayen suggests. He adds that Adobe is not worried about HTML5 potentially replacing Flash for two reasons. Flash is first of all said to be just a small part of what the company produces, the bulk of its sales being production tools for web and print. Since its tools are used to create HTML5 content, Adobe continues to make money.


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  1. hayesk

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    Says him

    No, it's about Adobe not being able to produce a relatively fast, efficient implementation of Flash for any Apple platform, despite being given years to do so.


  1. kerryb

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    is this a re-run article?

    Seems to me I've heard these statements about Flash running on mobile devices "real soon" for the past 3 years...


  1. climacs

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    spin

    more honest and coherent spin compared to what comes out of Ballmer's mouth, so I'll give Narayen credit for that.


  1. Foxypaco

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    html5

    "Since its tools are used to create HTML5 content, Adobe continues to make money"

    Last I checked all you need to create HTML5 content is a text editor.


  1. Wingsy

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    Adobe AIR? Ha!

    Let me tell you something about Adobe AIR. I recently bought a new car (BTW, a red 2011 Charger R/T - MAX; awesome car!) and it's owner's manual came on a DVD. Required Adobe AIR to read it. While reading through the manual I happened to notice some serious activity going on. Yep - sitting there reading a static page of printed text, I had 2 cores (out of 8) running wide open throttle, both computin the h*** out of the user manual's page of text with AIR. Core temps were at 98 degrees, and 85 is normal.

    Adobe should keep a very low profile with their products until they see fit to make something that doesn't suck.


  1. The Vicar

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    Darn right it's about "platforms"

    Specifically, it's about how Adobe wants every platform to act like Windows by using their crappy AIR system. Their Mac products get worse and worse GUI every version because Adobe just can't bring themselves to write programs which actually use the Mac GUI properly; instead they want to make idiotic decisions like the "palette bin".

    Flash can't go away fast enough for me, but I also can't wait for someone -- anyone, even Microsoft -- to come up with apps which kill off the rest of Adobe's rotten software.


  1. DeepDish

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    I'm confused

    How can a developer use something like flash to create apps one time to run on different hardware when no all hardware have the same specs?

    I'm sure there are some hardware features of the iPhone that don't exist on other smart phones and maybe even visa versa.

    If the developer wanted to create an app only once to be use on many platforms at the same time, they would be force to develop for the lowest set of common hardware features.

    If the iPhone has special hardware or UI interaction characteristics not found on other smart phones, then the developer should develop their iPhone apps to take advantage of as many special features they can.

    The Adobe solution forces developers to develop for the lowest common set of hardware features for all platforms. I want apps that push the envelope and amaze me.


  1. Geoduck

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    WRONG!

    Once again one of the industry old timers misunderstands Apple.
    No, stupid it's NOT about control.

    It's about quality of the user's experience.
    Apple is ALWAYS about quality of the user's experience.
    Flash is a resource/battery hog. Systems running Flash burn more energy and run hotter than those that don't. Witness other Adobe software that Apple DOES allow on iOS systems. Make a quality product that a) is stable, b) runs efficiently c) is not a chronic and flagrant malware vector and Apple will let it run on iOS.

    Flash? Three strikes and you're out. It fails on every count.

    But it is not some sort of adolescent p*$$ing contest about who is in control. The users are in control. apple's goal is to give them the best experience and Flash fails. The sales of iOS devices plus the rapid growth of HTML5 and Adobe's willingness to provide tools to code HTML5 shows that this was the correct decision.


  1. BigMac2

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    +15

    Can't stand Adobe CEO

    I can't stand on how much BS this CEO is, Like other said before me Adobe keep promising Adobe Flash on mobile device since the birth of the iPhone 3 years ago. As today Flash integration into mobile space still very very sparse. The only new thing I've seen in this article is Adobe finally recognize their real market is not selling interpreted javascript based virtual machine that Flash is but to make creation software.

    Adobe should not be has stubborn for keep pushing an outdated technology and step into new emerging technology and bring html5 creation tool like Hype

    http://tumultco.com/hype/


  1. ggirton

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    I got a flash phone ...

    several years ago. You had to go down 2 menu choices, and page over, and you could select a browser that could run flash apps -- supposedly. But ... not really. I only mention this because THAT PHONE was no doubt one of the 130 million flash capable phones. Not to offend anyone but ... you make ze big joke, ha ha.

    Don't get me wrong. Photoshop? Awesome. Illustrator? Awesome. Indesign? Impressive. PDF? Thanks, Adobe! Flash and AS3? It's forever! Flash on the phone? Naptime.


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