updated 09:25 pm EDT, Tue September 20, 2011
Google and Oracle have no deal in talks so far
The CEOs of Google and Oracle made no progress in forced settlement talks, tipsters from the courtroom mentioned Tuesday. Oracle's CEO, Larry Ellison, still insists that Google owes billions of dollars in Java licenses, AllThingsD heard. Google head Larry Page, meanwhile, believes the value is "excessive" and may be clinging to the view that Google may owe a much smaller $100 million.
Magistrate Judge Paul Grewal, who was specially ordered to oversee the mediation, has called for a second day of talks in hopes of averting a trial.
Google has gradually dropped its initial argument that it hadn't violated any copyrights or patents for Java and has instead tried to downplay the significance. Whether or not the court agrees is still uncertain, but the case's primary judge William Alsup allowed nearly every copyright claim of Oracle's to proceed despite a challenge.
If Oracle wins its ideal settlement or at trial, it could start collecting stiff royalties for each Android device sold and make it increasingly difficult for Google to compete while offering Android for free. It has portrayed itself as a victim of companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle trying to slow it down and hurt innovation. Countering arguments, however, have likened it to Microsoft in the past, using a monopoly in one area to price dump and give away for free what its rivals have to sell.