Oracle: Android just an 'incompatible clone of Java'

updated 07:05 pm EDT, Thu September 22, 2011

Oracle focues on past damages in Android dispute


Oracle in documents posted Thursday claimed that its real issue in its dispute over copyrights and patents in Android wasn't its damage requests but to stop Android itself. It argued that Android's just-in-time engine was an "incompatible clone of Java" and that the real issue was Google's damage to the code, which was supposed to be truly cross-platform. Any royalties for future damages would have to come after the case, Oracle said in a copy of the document obtained by Florian Mueller.

Google's changes "undermine Oracle's and many others' investments in 'write once, run anywhere,'" Oracle claimed. "If future royalties are applied, it is well established that they should be based on a separate, post-verdict assessment."

Its court submission further outlined what it saw as Google's owed past damages. Google owed at least $176 million in unpaid patent licenses as well as $102.6 million or more in copyright damages. Google also had to determine how much of a slice of $823.9 million in allegedly infringing revenue it owed by deducting non-related items.

Google as such could owe at least $500 million in past damages and as much as $1 billion. The values also didn't factor in a possible tripling of the values due to laws surrounding willful infringement, which Google may have difficulty avoiding given admissions in court and e-mail evidence that it knew it might have to pay for a license for Java but decided against it regardless. A resulting payment could cost as much as $2 billion if it couldn't get significant deductions from its Android revenue.

Payments would only get higher if Oracle didn't get its hoped-for ban. With Google very unlikely to accept Android being pulled off the market entirely, the company may have little choice but to accept the possibility of paying a royalty for every future Android device sold.

The revelations of a shift away from the presumed cash motivation could make Oracle's lawsuit the most dangerous leveled against Android, even when compared to Apple and Microsoft lawsuits. Their respective complaints are targeted at individual manufacturers and are focused either on changing behavior, such as Apple's view that Samsung is copying the look of the iPhone and iPad, or on extracting a toll to punish a successful competitor, such as in Microsoft's suing or demanding license deals with every Android hardware maker possible to make Windows Phone more attractive.


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  1. facebook_Robert

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    extreme viewpoint

    Oracle's viewpoint is extreme - but that's what you do in Court, take one extreme and hope that shifts the center.


  1. garmonbosia

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    extreme viewpoint?

    I would say it's Oracle's bottom line viewpoint. M$, Google and everyone else that decided to use Java knew the rules from the start. They tried to bully Sun, then Oracle into changing the rules for themselves so they didn't have to pay royalties or comply with the rules on openness and got burned. An extreme position would be to round up the leaders of the companies and either put them in jail or cut off their hands for thievery. Asking them to play by the rules is NOT extreme.


  1. fractal_h

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    Oracle is spot on

    Google has done to Java exactly what Microsoft did in 1997 - created an incompatible clone. Microsoft did that to ensure that MSJava applications only run on MSWindows. Google did the same to ensure Android apps only run on Android. This goes against the very core of Sun's design philosophy when it comes to Java - cross platform compatibility. Sun successfully sued Microsoft back in 1997, essentially banning Microsoft from using the Java technology. The cases are so similar that I hope that Oracle will achieve the same result with Google, resulting in a ban in Google's use of Java in Android, effectively killing the platform. I have no doubt that Google will eventually recover by producing its own .net clone, but the momentum will be lost.


  1. SockRolid

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    Android has only months to live

    Google just doesn't know how to think things through. If they did, they would have either written Android to use their own non-infringing alternative to Java or paid Oracle to use 100% pure Java.

    But thorough thinking simply isn't part of Google's culture. They're so used to pushing out updates to their web servers that their thinking is "So what if it isn't quite right. We'll fix it on the next update." Can't be bothered to think things all the way through and do the right thing.

    And the Motorola Mobility acquisition will make things far worse. Instead of suing Motorola Mobility as an independent company, Apple and others can sue Google directly. All the other lawsuits against HTC etc. were just opening shots in the battle that Google can't win.


  1. nat

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    Is worse than a clone of java. It's a complete ripoff. Why are't they suing MS over that?


  1. iphonerulez

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    I can't wait until Oracle shuts

    Android down. It'll take away the free ride that smartphone vendors have been using instead of developing their own OSes. Android is nothing but a freebie disrupter. Google has little interest in the OS except for pushing ads to consumers.


  1. xmlaroux

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    @all Android bashers

    Why do you hate Android so much? What has it done to you? It pushes IOS to be better, Apple to be better. If Android wasn't around IOS would be 2 years behind where it is now in innovation.

    Grow up, enjoy competition, it is good for us all.


  1. ethical_paul

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    @xmlaroux

    I'm waiting to see the competition. So far I only see blatant copying.


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