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1. chas_m

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   10/15, 01:31am | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   Duh

   Apple never said it was impossible, they said it's only for the iPhone 4S. As anyone who has watched this company for ANY length of time knows, Apple does NOT support newer software on older models when they have concerns that the experience will be mediocre or poor. As the article itself says and video shows, Siri runs slowly on the iPhone 4. That is MORE than enough to keep it unsupported by Apple. They want Siri to delight normal people, not cater to a bunch of hackers.
   
   I wish the power-nerds would just bear that in mind once in a while. If you want to run it on your iPhone 4, great! Learn the hacks and have at it. But don't complain that Apple's being mean to you.

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1. SergioRS

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   10/15, 02:11am | report spam | close reply

   RE: Mediocrity Concerns

   I totally agree with you chas_m, except in the case of iOS on the iPhone 3G - that's an update that probably shouldn't have happened.

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1. Paul Huang

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   10/15, 02:15am | report spam | close reply

   A not-so-smooth experience is not worth it

   Try getting a nice car, but drop a Pinto engine into it. Why even bother?
   

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1. MacTech84

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   10/15, 02:37am | report spam | close reply

   iFixIt Tear Down

   Seriously.... Am I the only person that got this.... Look at the iFixIt Tear Down, there is a mysterious Apple branded chip on the iPhone 4S that is not present on the iPhone 4. ITS HARDWARE ACCELERATED PEOPLE! Play with it and tell me its software only. h***, all of the iOS 5 dev builds only showed some kind of mic input. Its exclusive to the 4S as it requires a dedicated chip. Play with an iPhone 4S and you will see what I mean.

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1. slapppy

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   10/15, 02:42am | report spam | close reply

   Wait

   For the real thing when I upgrade. I don't want the Android Mobile Hackjob experience on my iPhone 4.

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1. msuper69

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   10/15, 03:00am | report spam | close reply

   He never asked Siri to do..

   anything. As others mentioned, the iPhone 4 obviously doesn't have the horsepower to properly run Sifi. Slow, ragged performance?
   This is something to show off?
   Morons.

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1. facebook_Kevin

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   10/15, 04:48am | report spam | (2 replies) close | reply

   Lest we forget...

   ..the original Siri app was running fine on my 3GS before Apple decided to kill it when the 4S came out.

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1. nostrademas

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   10/15, 05:08am | report spam | close reply

   Mass adoption is in beta

   I'd prefer to think that given Siri itself has been released as a beta, and Apple is also contending with the iCloud roll-out, they are restricting Siri to a controlled user base until everything is working at their end. This week has seen huge loads on their systems, and already a predictable backlash when everyone tries to jump on within the first hours of release. The migration servers were inundated, then there have been Mail authentication failures to the iCloud IMAP server which thankfully are now dying down. Imagine if a flagship technology like Siri also suffered badly? Apple just doesn't set themselves up for a fail like that.
   
   When things have stabilised and beta/server issues have been ironed out, with an iOS update they can open it up to other qualified hardware.
   
   The graphics issue is a red herring as the 4S version does that in hardware and he has had to hack it in software in this demo. But this *is* all about user experience and making sure that the 1-2m beta testers using iPhone 4S get it right for when the other 100m+ users come online.
   

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1. mr100percent

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   10/15, 06:13am | report spam | close reply

   slow

   Man that is slooow. I was first excited to hear it, but if it looks worse than an iPhone 3G running iOS 4.0 (man those were painful days), then count me out.

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1. facebook_Kevin

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   10/15, 06:18am | report spam | close reply

   Not to mention...

   ..that there are other voice command apps in the App Store. And there's Dragon Dictate for dictating emails, text messages, and Twitter and Facebook updates. Just sayin', if you was speech tech on an iPhone 4 or 3GS, it's already here.

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1. facebook_Jeff

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   10/15, 07:38am | report spam | close reply

   Siri is cool and all...

   But if it's gonna cause my iPhone 4 to run like a crappy Android phone....no thanks. I'll wait until I upgrade...

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1. facebook_Greig

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   iPhone 4 IS fast enough

   All this talk of "the reason they made it exclusive is because the user experience isn't as good due to the difference in processor speed" is ridiculous. Siri in its old app form was extremely responsive. See for yourself.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqpF7oNT_c

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1. Integr8d

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   10/15, 08:47am | report spam | close reply

   2nd video

   http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/15/siri-ported-to-an-iphone-4-old-phone-learns-a-new-trick/
   
   Now go buy your new shiny shiny.

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1. andrewbw

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   10/15, 11:18am | report spam | close reply

   hahaha...

   Threads like this are why I keep coming back to MacNN -- for the laughs! So much anger, so little actual correct knowledge.
   
   Facebook_Kevin got it right. Did you know Siri was an App, available for all iPhones, prior to the integration in the 4S? And did you know by their own admission there have been very few changes to the code?
   
   I'll give you all a minute to put two and two together. Might it be... marketing differentiation? Not that there's anything wrong with that, Apple can restrict product features any way they like (the same way iOS 5 removes multitouch gestures from the original iPad even though they were working fine previously) in order to encourage upgrade churn. But stop trying to invent technological reasons when there aren't any, especially when it's clear so few of you have an actual engineering or software development background.

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1. facebook_Robert

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   10/15, 12:45pm | report spam | (1 reply) close | reply

   religious beliefs

   many of the arguments here aren't about logic - they are about religious beliefs.
   Of course moving Siri to another phone is no big deal.
   
   But forget about Siri, I'm not talking about religion in terms of some traditional religion, I'm just talking about personalities that like logic, and personalities that form these, sometimes really complex ideas about life, and all it is - is faith.
   
   They vote based on their faith, they make big decisions in life on faith, the way they see, something as bizarre installing a program on iPhone 4 - all interpreted by their faith.
   
   Apple needed something to drive adoption of iPhone 4S. They didn't know Steve Jobs would die.
   The truth is, he did. And a way that many people are honoring him, is buying iPhone 4S - so all bets are off, this phone is going to be an unbelievable hit.
   
   Frankly i'm not 100% logical, I was a huge fan of Steve Jobs, so I also understand the draw....it's a real thing.
   
   But - they didn't know any of this would happen. They knew on the surface iPhone 4S looks exactly like iPhone 4. It is a dual core cpu phone with much higher graphics - but they decided to juice up the differences with something visible that the faithful beleivers could grasp - Siri.
   
   Siri runs on iPhone 4S - not on iPhone 4. Obvioius enough you need the upgrade for Siri.
   
   Not a tech thing - just a marketing thing - one that turned out to be unnecessary.

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1. facebook_Peter

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   10/15, 01:28pm | report spam | close reply

   If it's just about the dual core A5 ...

   Couldn't it run on an iPad? If Steve TS could get it running on an iPad 2 it might give us some indication if the special chip is really that special.

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1. facebook_Justin

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   10/15, 03:45pm | report spam | close reply

   comment title

   These apps dont require much power, I guarantee you Apple purposely made this app take advantage of some key areas of the A5 so when the hacking community finally got it running on the 4 it would run so poorly that it wouldnt be useful. I love Apple but I know they did something like this, which is sad.

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1. James Katt

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   10/15, 05:38pm | report spam | close reply

   Responsiveness is important

   The user experience is all important to Apple. If Siri is SLUGGISH then it is not right to have it on the iPhone 4. That's all there is to it.

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1. Integr8d

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   @Justin and James

   Watch the second video linked to above (other post).

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1. Integr8d

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   Since I've got the time...

   ...I'll tell you guys how Apple will play this. Also, because the lot of you won't watch the video on Engadget, I'll go ahead and spoil it; the guy figured it out three hours later. The 4 runs Siri like butter. Though there's still one more artificial barrier. Apple servers won't accept Siri input from a 4.
   
   That being said (and I'm calling it here), this is what Apple will do. No doubt, everyone will realize the artificial limitation that they're placing on Siri, in order to boost 4S sales. It's a given. That's the c*** companies do. Canon probably has a 40MP camera in the wings. But they're going to dish out 28MP, then 32MP, then 35MP and then, finally, 40MP. It's an old game.
   
   Apple will say, "Hey. Remember, we said Siri was in BETA. All this time, we've been 'perfecting' it to also run on the 4. And nevermind the guy that hacked it, while he was sitting on the pot and unloading a brick. Don't pay attention to that because this is how much we love you. So here it is; extra value for your 4." And the faithful will lap up the kibbles. And all will rejoice.
   
   That's what they'll do, in order to save face. Sorry, fanboys. There is no Santa Clause. There is no Tooth Fairy. And Apple is just another company, using some of the oldest tricks in the books.

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1. aussiearn

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   10/16, 12:18am | report spam | close reply

   Facebook_Greig what a troll

   The old Suri app is not the new Siri app. The old one was not system wide. It takes plenty of CPU power for an App like Siri to work properly. Any person saying anything different is just trolling.ouTou are more than welcome to voice your uninforned opinion, but remember we also have the right to hold you up to public ridicule.

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1. aussiearn

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   Steve Jobs

   Macnn really has to do something about all the trolls. It appears every pimply faced troll has set up bogus facebook accounts to spew forth their vomit.

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1. tundaman

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   It's obvious

   Apple won't open Siri to iPhone 4 in the same way voice command wasn't opened to iPhone 3G. It's obvious that Apple wants to keep some software function exclusive to the new model when it's keeping the same form factor, 'cause upgrade internals alone probably won't cut for upgraders.