RIM 'blindsided' by Kindle Fire, may lose $75 per PlayBook

updated 08:00 am EST, Mon December 5, 2011

RIM said losing 50-75 on each BlackBerry PlayBook


RIM's prolonged BlackBerry PlayBook discounting came after it was "blindsided" by the Amazon Kindle Fire, according to a research note from Sterne Agee analyst Shaw Wu. Citing "checks" in the supply chain, he understood RIM hadn't expected Amazon's loss-leading $199 price and had decided to take even more of a loss to follow suit. RIM was estimated to be losing $50 to $75 on every PlayBook it shipped.

The company was also being squeezed in smartphones, Wu said. The pricing of the $99 iPhone 4 and (in most countries) free-on-contract iPhone 3GS was squeezing RIM's lower-end BlackBerry line.

Wu still saw value in the company, but he was mostly basing it on its value as a takeover target. Its 70 million users, the BlackBerry platform, its BIS push data servers, and its patent collection could all be valuable. RIM's contribution to the Nortel patent buy led the analyst to estimate RIM's full patent catalog by itself was worth $2.5 billion to $4 billion.

The $485 million pre-tax ($360 million after) hit from unsold inventory is likely to see RIM fall short of guidance yet again and should make 2011 the company's worst year to date, having bled share through most of the year. Its tablet effort has been so low-key that it doesn't register in the top ranks of non-iPad makers, who themselves sell just a fraction of the tablets Apple manages.


By Electronista Staff

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  1. climacs

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    at this point

    I see only two possibilities for RIM:

    1) fire the co-CEOs, bring in someone to get the company in shape to be bought out at a somewhat fair price
    2) keep the co-CEOs and end up in the Canadian equivalent of Chapter 7, or they run it so hard into the ground that it gets bought out at a fire sale price

    possibility #3, that these guys figure things out, is not very likely at all.


  1. facebook_Jon

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    Incompetency

    How can the management at RIM be this incompetent?! Anyone who reads rumor sites -- or has a working knowledge of the industry -- knew that Amazon was coming out with a tablet far in advance of when the Playbook launched. Not that it matters -- RIM is dead in the water, having lost the race to Apple and Samsung/HTC/Android. Their board should fire the lot and start over, or sell off to someone who wants what little assets they have remaining.


  1. Foe Hammer

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    RIM was Blindsided ...

    ... when the sun rose in the east this morning. What aren't they blindsided by?


  1. slapppy

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    By Kindle Fire?

    Hahahaha.... that POS hasn't blindsided RIM. It was Apple iPhone and iPad that blindsided RIM. See how these journalist spin the news to favor Amazon and their sold at a loss Kindle.


  1. JohnFromBeyond

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    you can't blind a blind man

    RIM was blindsided by the iPhone, iPad, Kindle, etc. They are the new Palm -- they squandered their marketshare, sat on their hands, and now are floundering about with too-little too-late. And now they think they can recover by selling hardware at a loss. Stupid. The only reason Amazon can make that strategy work (maybe) is because Amazon has a big ecosystem around their Kindles.


  1. facebook_Randy

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    No way.

    No content companies ever sell hardware at a lose to make it up in content sales. Who would ever think a content company would do that? There is no precedence for such a thing. Well unless you open you eyes and look at every content providers history for the past 20 years.


  1. SockRolid

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    Google was blindsided too

    Google should have seen this coming. It seems inevitable in hindsight. They shipped a free OS that anybody can modify. Full of Google's own profit-taking middleware and customer information-mining software: Android Market, AdMob, Gmail, Google Docs, etc. Android is a Trojan Horse that Google uses to more effectively target ads at users so they can charge their customers (the advertisers) more.

    But Amazon has a different revenue model. They actually sell physical goods and digital content to their customers. They have an e-commerce infrastructure of their own, so they replaced Android's Google-centric "profit layer" with their own. And Google gets nothing out of the deal. No sales or ad revenue. That alone is painful enough, especially considering that Kindle Fire is already the most successful non-iPad pad.

    But the killer is that Google gets none of the customer information they harvest from other Android users. No purchase histories, no product affinities, no browsing histories, no name / address / demographic information. Nothing. Knowing your customer is the key to success in e-commerce. And Google has given it all away to Amazon. Yay open.


  1. andrewbw

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    Nope...

    Google is Amazon's ad partner. Their network has Amazon's branding, but its sold by Google and they get a cut. Nice try.


  1. climacs

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    @facebook_Randy

    this is not a loss leader to get people in the door. This is a desperation fire sale. There is a difference.

    Please tell us what content RIM has to sell, which would justify losing $50-$75 on each PlayBook.

    Yeah, I didn't think so. If you really believe what you wrote, you must be inside the same reality distortion sphere where the RIM co-morons spend their time.


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