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Nokia claims Apple royalty-free nano-SIM promise is hollow

updated 03:25 pm EDT, Mon March 26, 2012

 

Nokia says Apple has no patents to wield


Nokia in a mid-Monday response dismissed Apple's royalty-free offer should it define the upcoming nano-SIM card format. The Finnish company told IDG that it was "not aware" of any Apple patents essential to its nano-SIM card. The seemingly benign gesture was just Apple trying to "devalue the intellectual property of others," a Nokia representative claimed.

The firm had earlier tried to explain in public why it thought its nano-SIM idea was superior, including genuine difference and overall smaller size.

Nokia's sincerity in either situation isn't clear, as there hasn't been a similar dissection of its own suggested format. It also hasn't said whether or not it would promise to offer its own SIM format royalty free or if it would try to profit from others' phones, as it does with its 3G patents.

Apple's proposal may win through support from carriers. Nokia is currently depending on support from Motorola and RIM to try to clinch the standard, as well as its position as the largest voting body in the ETSI group deciding on what to approve. As a foil, Apple has pressing to get its national affiliates made ETSI voting members and tip the balance more in its favor.

A vote is due on the standards on Thursday. Devices using the new SIM might not show until 2013 at the earliest, as its benefits would still require ground-up design to make the most of the newly-saved space.


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  1. aristotles

    Grizzled Veteran

    Joined: Jul 2004

    +12

    Clue stick for Nokia

    Nobody actually wants to have to take the battery off their phone just to swap out a sim card. Most non-Apple products have their SIM cards buried underneath the battery making a hotswap impossible.


  1. alexkent

    Fresh-Faced Recruit

    Joined: Dec 2000

    +11

    now why would Nokia publicly dis Apple?

    Nokia (and most of Finland) blame Apple for their failure. From mobile domination to Microsoft subsidiary, in the 5 years of iPhone.

    Of course they're going to take any chance they can get to bad-mouth Apple and it's intentions.


  1. abnyc

    Fresh-Faced Recruit

    Joined: Sep 2000

    +10

    its ok relax

    nokia is going to be chapter 7 in 3 years


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  1. Arne_Saknussemm

    Junior Member

    Joined: Apr 2011

    -10

    Clue stick for Apple, Motorola, RIM, & M$okia

    Current SIM cards are already quite small and hard to handle, no need to make them smaller still, and fragment the SIM card market. as it is any traveler has guaranteed availability on most destinations and any device.

    The Micro SIM on the iPhones & iPads requires a specialized guillotine to make otherwise perfectly good industry standard cards into Apple only cards, unless you buy yet another adapter for regular phones.

    The Nano SIM proposed either by Apple or other companies, aims to destroy the advantage users currently have to switch carriers. Apple's design even negates the supposed "space saving" by requiring a cradle, just like on the iPhone, witch itself takes up volume and requires a special tool to extract.

    The WP7 interface on new Nokias is actually quite fresh and innovative; but when the specs requires the user to mutilate a good SIM to work all interest disappears.


  1. iphonerulez

    Fresh-Faced Recruit

    Joined: Nov 2008

    +5

    Forget RIM and Motorola...

    They are definitely not the future of anything. If Motorola (MMI) hadn't been bought by Google, Motorola probably have gone bankrupt by now. RIM is seemingly hanging on by its fingertips. I don't know much about SIMs and different advantages of using one over the other, but in the end it will probably be the company that can exert enough force over the entire mobile industry that will win. I don't care who wins as long as the SIM is easy enough to change and doesn't take up much space. Opening up the back and removing the battery to get to the SIM does require more work than using an external accessible cradle, but not terribly so. I just want what's the simplest to change method for most users.


  1. hayesk

    Professional Poster

    Joined: Sep 1999

    -7

    Here's a thought...

    ...go sim-less. When you buy a phone, you enter your sim number, rather than insert a sim card. If your phone is unlocked, it can let you enter more than one and switch between them when you travel.

    Sure, some of you are thinking: "what's to stop you from entering someone else's number?"
    My answer is "the same thing that is stopping you from buying the equipment to make your own sim card with someone else's number today" - NOTHING. Sims aren't secure today, so going sim-less isn't going to change anything.


  1. Flying Meat

    Junior Member

    Joined: Jan 2007

    +5

    Oh, Nokia. You poor poor

    pitiful put-apon baby.

    I'm sure it never occurred to Nokia that Apple might just be addressing a sticking point, and leaning toward good citizenship as a standards board member. I can't see how any reasonable person would making a "standard" of a non-free product/solution, let alone someone else's non-free product/solution. It just seems contrary to the whole notion.


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  1. testudo

    Forum Regular

    Joined: Aug 2001

    -10

    the apple way

    If you don't have a hold in an area, offer up your tech as free-to-license and try to drag others on board with you (see mini display port, which has yet to take off, until used by intel for thunderbolt, which has yet to take off, but isn't royalty free).

    If you have a hold on a market segment or area, then you keep tight control over your tech and patents and make sure anyone and everyone either licenses it or you sue their butts off. See iPod connector, magsafe, FairPlay DRM.

    So this is nothing new. Apple wants their way, so they're willing to give their IP up for it. But be sure they wouldn't be doing this if the EU already was backing their's as a standard.


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  1. Arne_Saknussemm

    Junior Member

    Joined: Apr 2011

    -12

    Face time too!

    Another open sourced "gift" from Apple that somehow failed to take off...

    Any big company would NEVER give anything for free.

    Oddly enough consumers that regularly purchase overpriced components for the reward of a certain brand's logo,
    think a new standard from the biggest of the competitors in these non-standards standard race, will do anything just out of the goodness of it's heart.


  1. wrenchy

    Forum Regular

    Joined: Nov 2009

    -7

    @ Arne


    You have made some valid points and yet you get downvoted - not like it matters to you or I.

    iDiots will be iDiots.


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