whatever; expect at least half of them to be resold.

Translation: "I got nuttin'."

Does it matter how they sold or resold. Apple sold it. blah blah

Actually, it does.

Samsung routinely cites "shipments", rather than customer sales.

That means it's likely that the majority of those devices are sitting on store shelves, and may never actually be sold at all, but returned to the manufacturer eventually.

Apple, by contrast, usually only reports actual sales. It wouldn't make a difference in this case, though, because for the first six or ten months, Apple will have trouble keeping shipments up to actual sales demand anyway.

you know, I don't think crApple really wants the 6 or 10 months outlook. Global Economy should crash by then so the early earnings will matter more than anything. I can see a bunch of floating mac devices in circulation only because by the time the "stuff" hits the fan, again soon, these devices will not be an absolute necessity at their current costs...

And of course, $700 to 850 USD for a phone... most folks rather go in debt to get one of these not knowing the device will actually cost them $1200 USD in 2yrs time on contract by the end of the contract. Show this number up front and see what people actually think about their purchase. I bet they will make sound decision after knowing the details before signing anywhere.

General public is sadly misled and baited. Seriously, finance your phone?? What's next, your bag of groceries? Food prices will go up, expensive phones will be resold after that since they will start in the hands of the less fortunate and then end up back in the market.

And don't ignore the used market, just like the video game market is flooded with used games... so will the igarbagephones be eating up new sales in the end. Here it comes, in slow motion...

Be sure to call us when that happens.

No, wait - don't call us. Call your therapist.

Your name is appropriate because what you posted is just blah, blah, blah.
Reality has seemed to elude you, along with the whole gang of irrational and jealous iHaters.

It hasn't eluded him. It merely doesn't concern him.

He's only here for trolling.

Originally Posted by blahblahbber

whatever; expect at least half of them to be resold.

... for a significant markup on kijiji and ebay.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Actually, it does.
Samsung routinely cites "shipments", rather than customer sales. ... Apple, by contrast, usually only reports actual sales.

All companies cite "Sales". But sales for a company are "We sold it". All companies also cite shipments "stuff going to stores but not bought by the stores until they're sold". However, Apple doesn't do much of the latter (their own stores, of course, but third-party sellers actually have to pay up-front and then hope to resell).

Blown away? Seriously apple?

Let's call it for what it is, since you do this every year. You come up with some mythical small number of phones to sell at the outset, even though you KNOW the demand will be much higher. That way you can say you 'sold out' by the time the weekend is over, and then have the press bask you in the limelight of the 'best selling device ever!'. And, of course, you now have to do this, just like you'll have to put up cordons outside your store to put people in line who want to buy the phone (because we all know you just can't walk in and buy a phone - nope, got to stand in line, and make sure they're outside, so everyone can see them). For if you didn't 'sell out' or have 'lines of people', then the negative barrages will start from stupid bloggers, and then the Defenders of the Faith will then respond and the next thing you know, there's a new holy war starting. [Don't believe me, then google up the egyptian uprising last year, obviously started by the lack of LTE on the iPhone 4S]

So, basically, Apple keeps initial stock really low in order to keep peace in the world.

Of course, it isn't that meaningful of a number or occurrence, since the faithful will always win out in the beginning. It's at the end of the quarter, so they can easily discount the low iPhone sales numbers by the fact people were waiting for the iPhone 5 and then the low supply. And gives them time to deal with any sales issues that might come up for the holiday season.

Originally Posted by testudo

[QUOTE=Spheric Harlot;4190793]Actually, it does.
Samsung routinely cites "shipments", rather than customer sales. ... Apple, by contrast, usually only reports actual sales.

All companies cite "Sales".[/quote]

No, they don't.

"Shipments" include return policies for unsold inventory, which end-user sales don't.

Originally Posted by testudo

Of course, it isn't that meaningful of a number or occurrence, since the faithful will always win out in the beginning.

This doesn't parse for me.

Are you desperately trying to put a negative spin on this? Somehow ignoring that it just took less than twenty-four hours to sell two million phones. SELL. Not "promise shelf space to".

It is, of course, "the faithful" that have somehow allowed each iPhone to sell more than all of its predecessors combined. Naturally. It's just the blind fans. Oddly, there were only six million of us fifteen years ago.

And my iPhone contract isn't up until next fall, so it warn't me, mkay?

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot


This doesn't parse for me.
Are you desperately trying to put a negative spin on this? Somehow ignoring that it just took less than twenty-four hours to sell two million phones. SELL. Not "promise shelf space to".
It is, of course, "the faithful" that have somehow allowed each iPhone to sell more than all of its predecessors combined. Naturally. It's just the blind fans. Oddly, there were only six million of us fifteen years ago.
And my iPhone contract isn't up until next fall, so it warn't me, mkay?

No, what I'm saying is that the faithful will buy the next great iPhone unseen, untouched, unsmelt, untasted. They know it exists, see some specs (and here we thought the apple folks were above just looking at specs!) and wake up at 3am to order it.

The real crux is the long-term sales. Week one sales are a sideshow. If Apple reports fewer sales than expected in Q1 or Q2 (than wall street expects, not what apple says, since we know all companies low-ball their info just to make sure they don't get sued), wall street isn't going to go "Well, look, they had great week one sales!". They'll go "Uh-oh, sales are flat. People aren't buying."

Do I expect that? No. I'm just pointing out that early sales numbers for Apple stuff are generally just spikes from the line standing community.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot


No, they don't.
"Shipments" include return policies for unsold inventory, which end-user sales don't.
This doesn't parse for me.
Are you desperately trying to put a negative spin on this? Somehow ignoring that it just took less than twenty-four hours to sell two million phones. SELL. Not "promise shelf space to".
It is, of course, "the faithful" that have somehow allowed each iPhone to sell more than all of its predecessors combined. Naturally. It's just the blind fans. Oddly, there were only six million of us fifteen years ago.
And my iPhone contract isn't up until next fall, so it warn't me, mkay?

Listen, when will you wake up to accept that this is an engineered experience??.... much like McDonald's is an engineered experience. Testudo just made it clear to you, and you still a blind eye for everyone on the forum to see. Incredible how some really are "blown away"... haha

Originally Posted by blahblahbber

Listen, when will you wake up to accept that this is an engineered experience??.... much like McDonald's is an engineered experience. Testudo just made it clear to you, and you still a blind eye for everyone on the forum to see. Incredible how some really are "blown away"... haha

Oh. So NOW your tack is "Ha-HAH! I'm so smart, I understand how press releases work!"

If this was your point the entire time, it seems odd to me that you were randomly blustering about with completely unrelated bullshit in your posts above.

But then, everything about your presence here seems odd to me. I'm not sure why it would seem appealing to put so much effort into looking like a complete idiot and a total asshole.

At least you're mostly consistently predictable.

Have a good day, blahblahbber.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot


Oh. So NOW your tack is "Ha-HAH! I'm so smart, I understand how press releases work!"
If this was your point the entire time, it seems odd to me that you were randomly blustering about with completely unrelated bullshit in your posts above.
But then, everything about your presence here seems odd to me. I'm not sure why it would seem appealing to put so much effort into looking like a complete idiot and a total asshole.
At least you're mostly consistently predictable.
Have a good day, blahblahbber.

I made my point whether related or not. I was just clearing the air so you can understand Testudo since you have shown much effort to prove otherwise. Get over yourself. Sorry for the "haha" if it bothers you so much. Still, I felt like you needed a hand to walk you through this particular issue. Your Welcome by the way...