So disappointing.

I predicted Apple would have $120 BILLION IN REVENUE for its first quarter. But they only did a puny RECORD $54.5 BILLION in revenue. What is up with that? So what if it is a record?

Apple only had $13.1 BILLION IN PROFIT. Google had $2.9 BILLION in profit in the same quarter. Apple only earned 4.5 times the profit of Google. I expected more.

Apple's $13.1 BILLION IN PROFIT also is less than all of Microsoft's $16 BILLION IN REVENUE. I expected more. Apple's profit is only 2.9 times Microsoft's $4.5 BILLION IN PROFIT. I expected more.

Watch Apple's Stock sink. Apple's gonna die. Apple's gonna die. I expected more more more more more. Wahhhh. Wahhhh.

:lol:

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Apple shares are down...

Apple shares are down... live with it. :cry: This company might be making all the money in the world, but it's worth next to nothing for investors and shareholders. One of the most important things in investing in a company is that it returns value to shareholders. Apple is failing at doing this. Amazon's share price will probably be higher than Apple's by the end of the year. Apple is sitting on $137 billion in cash, but so what. It's untouchable by anyone except Tim Cook :sleep: and executive friends. What amount of that $137 billion are shareholders seeing? Nada. :confused: Do you really expect Wall Street to put up with that kind of stinginess? They're not. :thumbsdow

I'm not saying Apple is being run poorly but at this rate, Apple's share price is going to be worth less now than it was two years ago by the end of the year. Apple has enough cash reserve to practically trash Google and Amazon, but instead it's getting trashed by both of them. The company was not aggressive enough to strike while they had a full head of steam. Apple's shareholder value days are over. :brick:

Originally Posted by iphonerulez

What amount of that $137 billion are shareholders seeing? Nada.

You are incorrect -- to the tune of about $6 billion. Per QUARTER.

Oh boo hoo, my AAPL was up ONLY 30 percent this year! Might as well stick my money in a savings account! :D

The truth is that the company has solid profits and operations, and that analysts are inventing a "competition" that, as far as profits go, simply isn't there. Great time to buy, if you ask me.

ohhhh, look at that stock price.... reality. I win.


Maybe crApple is saving its pennies to try and buy samsung. Too bad that type of cash hoarding will be useless down the road unless they buy a broke butt government/country somewhere.

No matter what Apple does, shareholders and analysts will be upset. Just look at iphonerulez - he resorts to just making up facts to express his dissatisfaction when he knows damn well that Apple started giving dividends last year. But they still aren't happy because shareholders have absolutely no vision and think Apple should just give away their cash reserve.

Only one thing to do now: let the price go down, and then go private. Then they can concentrate on making good products now and in the future without having to cow-tow to idiot investors who can't see into next week let alone a few years into the future.

the future will bring open-source to the forefront... just wait and see.

2009 will be the year of Linux on the desktop.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

2009 will be the year of Linux on the desktop.

Tell that to Russia, and others

Link please, thank you.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Link please, thank you.

There you go

open...: Putin Orders Russian Move to GNU/Linux

Your Welcome

Thanks.

a) notice the year I've mentioned. People have been claiming this for over a decade.

b) notice that this presidential decree had to be signed because they'd tried to move, but had completely failed to do so for years. Numbers in Russia are close to zero.

c) a push by the government to convert government agencies does not mean a huge increase among desktop users.

d) "others"? (Though I do recall that China was working on their own branch of Linux at some point.) do you have numbers for China or others?

Do you need me to do more leg work for you?

No, that's fine. You have no statistics, but your point has legs. In ten years' time, things might actually have changed, maybe.

Don't act surprised, though, that people ask YOU to do the legwork to support your claims. I was curious because I'd read about it a while ago, but never seen a follow-up.

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@ iphonerulez -

On the bright side.... if the stock drops enough, Apple could use that cash to buy themselves out of the idiotic public market. Now THAT would be the best way they could ever possibly spend that cash.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

2009 will be the year of Linux on the desktop.

Why do you mock such a premise? Is is very likely that Linux will eventually play big role on the desktop, right?

Not really.

Unless you count the shrinking of the desktop market to the point that Linux achieves significant share without increased absolute numbers.

Also, every year for the past ten years was going to be the Year of Linux On the Desktop.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Not really.

Unless you count the shrinking of the desktop market to the point that Linux achieves significant share without increased absolute numbers.

Also, every year for the past ten years was going to be the Year of Linux On the Desktop.

The difference this time is Android.

Android mobile + desktop workflows will dominate business shortly once an Android desktop OS has been created, unless Windows Mobile really picks up its pace.

"Once an Android desktop OS has been created."

Shortly.

Get back to me when it happens, and we'll look at the numbers, okay?

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

"Once an Android desktop OS has been created."

Shortly.

Get back to me when it happens, and we'll look at the numbers, okay?

You don't see that writing on the wall? Why wouldn't one be created at an opportune time?

The writing on the wall is mobile computing. In fact, that's the screaming outside your window. It's not a subtle trend. Tablet sales are predicted by some to eclipse laptop sales this year, and laptop sales have been killing desktop sales for years now.

As I said, "unless you count the shrinking of the desktop market to the point that Linux achieves significant share without increased absolute numbers."

And of course, it's a trivial thing to just create a viable desktop Linux "at an opportune time". After all, they've been doing it for twenty years, to great success.

In other words, my prediction is that Linux on the Desktop may be dominant, but not before the Desktop has slipped largely into market irrelevance (it will always be important, and continue to exist indefinitely, but not in numbers).

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

The writing on the wall is mobile computing. In fact, that's the screaming outside your window. It's not a subtle trend. Tablet sales are predicted by some to eclipse laptop sales this year, and laptop sales have been killing desktop sales for years now.

As I said, "unless you count the shrinking of the desktop market to the point that Linux achieves significant share without increased absolute numbers."

And of course, it's a trivial thing to just create a viable desktop Linux "at an opportune time". After all, they've been doing it for twenty years, to great success.

In other words, my prediction is that Linux on the Desktop may be dominant, but not before the Desktop has slipped largely into market irrelevance (it will always be important, and continue to exist indefinitely, but not in numbers).

I think you lack imagination.

First of all, mobile and desktop OSes will continue to converge. When I talk about Android on the desktop, I'm basically talking about a single OS or a virtually single OS that works on all devices. The application quantity and quality will always follow the market leader where there exists the greatest profit potential, and because of the mobile catalyst Google/Android is poised to be this leader. I say "virtually single OS" because I don't know if Google will go for complete consolidation so that what runs on desktops and mobile devices is a single OS, or two OSes that have binary compatibility between each other with similar user experiences, but I'm pretty confident one or the other will happen.

Also, by desktops, I simply mean devices with larger screens, and obviously with these sorts of devices a touch interface may merely accompany a more ergonomic point and click type interface. I realize that creating a touch-based interface and a point and click interface are separate challenges now, but I think this will eventually be figured out where either we'll have a single OS and single apps with different modes, or different variants of the OS/apps with binary compatibility.

Either way, I think one would be drinking too much Apple kool aid if they really expect the iPad to remain the marketshare leader forever. There will ultimately be a myriad of Android tablets as there are phones and PCs today, all available at different price points. The vendors interested and willing to undercut Apple will ultimately prevail. Cheap almost always has the upper hand.