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   ignore previous poster

   troll.
   
   On topic, I hope Roxio wins. garcenote DID Lie to their consumers, and are just trying to bleed many free services, like iTunes and some Open source linux players

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   God

   I love this country. THIS is how everyone makes their money these days. God bless the USA!

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   Roxio...

   Well, good for them. On the other hand since they have made a pack with the devil (RIAA) who cares? CDDB is just making a mess of things.
   
   Roxio needs money to defend itself, so they sign their souls over the the RIAA. Roxio wins, so CDDB is forced to no longer charge and they go out of buisness. We loose the orginal Roxio and loose CDDB.

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   spelling

   - pact, not pack
   - lose, not loose

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   Re: Roxio...

   The latest version of toast works good, right? Just don't buy the next version with the limitation built in.

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   Who do we loose them upon

   We loose the orginal Roxio and loose CDDB.
   
   LOSE.
   
   Looks like neither CDDB or FreeDB is truly an open database. You could always type in the info yourself.
   
   But is there really any other revenue stream for Greacenote other than a license fee to the apps that autolink to its database?
   

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   cddb

   ya can't have it all for free. lying aside, i've got _no_ trouble paying for the convenience of CDDB. period.
   
   everything for free = internet bubble = jumping out of window. never good. not even a little bit.

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   CDDB

   There are other possible revenue streams for Gracenote (subscriptions, etc.) but they're all equally bad, if not worse. The real problem - a problem shared by many Internet startups - is that Gracenote wasn't founded to provide a service, it was founded solely to capitalize on the popularity of CDDB. For a long time, CDDB was open and free, but at some point, someone decided to try and make money off the contributions of thousands of users. Rather than trying to provide alternative or value-added services, Gracenote was simply trying to find a way to cash in on the existing CDDB - and it now appears there's no really effective way to do that.

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   Re: CDDB

   Good analysis. I'd go further and suggest that they've failed because their revenue model depends on restricting access to information. The source of that information (provided for free by users like me at our expense) makes their action more obviously loathsome, but the fact is that the general idea will never work, regardless of one's views on intellectual property and the like. It's akin to keeping a secret among many people (YOU'RE allowed to know the title tracks, but YOU'RE not), and any spy will tell you that simply can't be done. ;)
   
   

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   The question is..

   The question is, did the cost for CDDB of running the servers to answer the queries match the value it got from people who entered the track details for it?
   
   Costs money to run servers. Nothing to sell in the track info per se. Subscriptions do seem like the only way forward; else almost everyone is parasitic on you, because only one person enters that track data but zillions d/l it.
   
   So you might not like Gracenote but the cost is invisible to you - it's in the price of the software. Which comes bundled with your CD burner. Tell me the problem you had with Gracenote again?
   
   Charles

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   Lets see...

   ...perhaps its the fact they are scum-sucking, loathsome weasels? Yeah, thats the problem I have with them.
   
   If it costs *so* much to run the servers, how did it exist for so long without a subscription model?

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   Changing the Model

   Part of the problem is the web itself. We have become accustomed to free information. Someone at some point found out nothing's free. Not the server, not the floor space it consumes, not the technicians that work on it... I think it's important that a large part of the web stay free. I also think it's important that costs get covered. Then again, I think a lot of people make too much money, and just want more. Anyway, companies like Apple, IBM, Microsoft, et. al., should provide certain amounts of space and bandwidth to support the model of free information for all. There could be some sort of web information committee that would keep things like the CDDB (and maybe some more important stuff) going to benefit all. Gosh, if they got a .00001% grant from Microsoft, CDDB would be solvent through 2079.

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   Roxio should lose

   I personally know the owner of Gracenote. They have put forth lots of effort to create the servers, software and information.